I don't know if he was a villain though, he was very complimentary and polite when he was ramming a sword through your chest
and he also wasn't a villain as soon as he saw the proof of what the government did. he was just a loyal soldier who had the blinder removed from his eyes
and he also wasn't a villain as soon as he saw the proof of what the government did. he was just a loyal soldier who had the blinder removed from his eyes
He even acknowledged that his actions made him a monster, but he hoped that his actions would make for a better world that he wouldn't be able to live in.
i really liked how the operative was written.
He was brilliant, dedicated and ruthless, but in the end when the cat was out of the bag he didn't continue to pursue a hidden agenda. He helped treat the wounded and let the Serenity Crew including River go.
IF you think about it deeply enough, Mal was the villian in that movie.
He ruthlessly shot a wounded man, instead of stopping to help a another against the Reapers, he coldly killed him.
He threatened to shoot members of his own crew if they didn't do what he said.
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Hitler from Downfall, portrayed brilliantly by Bruno Ganz. His transformation is eerie.
Cigarette Smoking Man from X-Files comes to mind (TV show I know, but he was in the X-Files movie as well). William B. Davis brought a lot of depth to a role that could have been very one-dimensional.
Dr. Strangelove
Couple more from TV: Wayne Knight as Newman, Jon Bernthal as Shane in The Walking Dead. Shredder, Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady.
4) Khan - Star Trek 2 - You would completly hate him if you didn't feel for him deep down. A man created to lead, exiled and consumed by not only his nature, but his need to avenge the death of his wife caused by an uncaring Admiral Kirk. Driven and Completely ruthless he was the modern day version of Ahab chasing the Great White Whale, and willing to throw everything including himself away in the process.
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He was bad ass
I think these two are the best.
Both sympathetic villains, who have good reason to seek vengeance. You can sit back and say to yourself, if I was screwed over the same as these two guys, I could see myself doing the same thing. You cheer for them in a sadistic way.
In Khan's case, he was the classic villain, An total genius, that lost all rational thought, and reason, to seek revenge.
and he also wasn't a villain as soon as he saw the proof of what the government did. he was just a loyal soldier who had the blinder removed from his eyes
What, no?
He tried desperately to stop Mal from playing that video, and didn't care what was on it.
He told his soldiers to stand down because the video had already been played and the damage had been done, he failed...and killing the Serenity crew wouldn't have stopped anything at that point.
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Henry Kane - Poltergeist
"Now, hold on to yourselves. There's one more thing: a terrible presence is in there with her. So much rage, so much betrayal - I've never sensed anything like it. I don't know what hovers over this house, but it was strong enough to punch a hole into this world and take your daughter away from you. It keeps Carol Anne very close to it, and away from the spectral light. It lies to her - it says things only a child can understand. It has been using her to restrain the others. To her, it simply is another child. To us, it is the Beast." — Tangina Barrons about the Beast (Reverend Henry Kane).
Both sympathetic villains, who have good reason to seek vengeance. You can sit back and say to yourself, if I was screwed over the same as these two guys, I could see myself doing the same thing. You cheer for them in a sadistic way.
In Khan's case, he was the classic villain, An total genius, that lost all rational thought, and reason, to seek revenge.
It was funny with Khan when you watch Space Seed, he was a villain but not a savage. He was brilliant and was following his nature. He was a true uberman created to be the perfect man and someone that would bring man out of the savageness of its own nature. But the flaw in the plan is there were other men like Khan created and their nature was to drive for power.
At the end of Space Seed, when Kirk banished him to Ceti Alpha 5 he had a wife, he had his nation, and he had a challenge that he was looking forward to. Even Kirk was looking forward to looking in and seeing what happened.
And of course Kirk was too busy boning green chicks, forgot about Khan in his exile, and the planet went through a massive disaster that destroyed Paradise, killed his wife and forced him into a harsh level of existence where he was basically forced to forfeit any humanity to survive.
And rescue never came because Kirk was probably boning a blue chick.
Khan became a creature of anger and revenge and when he was unleashed it was clear that while his genius and his drive was there, every bit of his humanity had been blasted out in the sand storms of a ruined world.
He had his chances to step back and say wait a minute, I have a ship and a weapon that can create paradise for what's left of my nation, but he was consumed by Kirk his white whale.
When his second in command was killed you could see that touch of remorse, but it was quickly over shadowed by his rage and sense of loss, and his words to his fallen friend were about revenge.
When he was beaten he didn't reflect or change or whimper and cry out at the fates, his revenge knew no bounds and he knew that if he was going to die he had to still feed that revenge demon that had eaten his soul.
Khan in a lot of ways was extremely sympathetic. If any of us had that much taken from us by an uncaring adversary or system we'd probably take the easy route to revenge and lash out.
He was a villain that was created by situations that he couldn't control and sharpened by a hero that in this instance wasn't much of a hero.
I felt more sorry for them then a condemnation of him.
He was one of the best movie foils of the last century. He was almost what Darth Vader should have been.
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Just to add to the discussion here are the top 50 villains according to AFI.
1. Dr. Hannibal Lecter (The Silence of the Lambs)
2. Norman Bates (Psycho)
3. Darth Vader (The Empire Strikes Back)
4. The Wicked Witch Of The West (The Wizard of Oz)
5. Nurse Ratched (One Flew Over the ####oo's Nest)
6. Mr. Potter (It's a Wonderful Lfe)
7. Alex Forrest (Fatal Attraction)
8. Phyllis Dietrichson (Double Indemnity)
9. Regan Macneil (The Exorcist)
10. The Queen (Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs)
11. Michael Corleone (The Godfather, Part II)
12. Alex De Large (Clockwork Orange)
13. Hal 9000 (2001: A Space Odyssey)
14. The Alien (Alien)
15. Amon Goeth (Schindler's List)
16. Noah Cross (Chinatown)
17. Annie Wilkes (Misery)
19. Captain Bligh (Mutiny on the Bounty)
20. Man (Bambi)
21. Mrs. John Isel (The Manchurian Candidate)
22. Terminator (The Terminator)
23. Eve Harrington (All About Eve)
24. Gordon Gekko (Wall Street)
25. Jack Torrance (The Shining)
26. Cody Jarrett (White Heat)
27. Martians (The War of the Worlds)
28. Max Cady (Cape Fear)
29. Reverend Harry Powell (The Night of the Hunter)
30. Travis Bickle (Taxi Driver)
31. Mrs. Danvers (Rebecca)
32. Clyde Barrow & Bonnie Parker (Bonnie and Clyde)
33. Count Dracula (Dracula)
34. Dr. Szell (Marathon Man)
35. J.J. Hunsecker (Sweet Smell of Success)
36. Frank Booth (Blue Velvet)
37. Harry Lime (The Third Man)
38. Caesar Enrico Bandello (Little Caesar)
39. Cruella De Vil (101 Dalmatians)
40. Freddy Krueger (A Nightmare on Elm Street)
41. Joan Crawford (Mommie Dearest)
42. Tom Powers (The Public Enemy)
43. Regina Giddens (The Little Foxes)
44. Baby Jane Hudson (Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?)
45. The Joker (Batman)
46. Hans Gruber (Die Hard)
47. Tony Camonte (Scarface)
48. Verbal Kint (The Usual Suspects)
49. Auric Goldfinger (Goldfinger)
50. Alonzo Harris (Training Day)
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While I know it is not a 'movie', I still think that Gerald McRaney as George Hearst in Deadwood was one of the most detestable villains in cinematic history. He just made my skin crawl.
On the movie front, I will try to bring up one that no one has yet...
How about Jeremy Irons as Scar in The Lion King?
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