I think this got missed in the Entertainment forum move...
But yeah, waiting for the next season is driving me crazy!
(Spoilers are only spoilers if you are not caught up)
I'm not sure how they will finish everything off in season 5. Seems like they have a lot to start up just to get the plot moving again because of the way season 4 ended, just to end the series at the end of the season.
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I mean, the Chicken Man is gone, the cartel is gone, where's the next angle for the drugs? I could actually see Walt getting cocky (as he does like to be in charge) and using the car wash much like the laundry was used for a cover for meth production, but that would take a few episodes to set up.
The loose ends seem to be
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Beneke's death which could cause an investigation into the family, the German super conglomerate that owned a lot of the businesses tied to the lab (are they connnected? I would assume so, at least that would be a way to advance the plot) Mike is still in Mexico as far was we know, whats going to happen when he comes back and finds Gus dead and the business in shambles? Will he be mad at Walt, or will he work for him instead. I actually believe the later as he seems to be a pragmatic man looking for a paycheque, but for tensions sake it could go the other way.
And of course they have to figure out a way to kill Walt. Of course, no one knows if he will die for sure, but the laws of literature pretty much deem that he has to.
But, I could see it being one of those series that because of it's popularity, is extended for one more season past the first projected end date. And that, in my opinion, would make it easier to finish off, cause I don't know how they restart after the big ending last season, only to finish it off 12 episodes later. Would not be surprised to see a season 6.
I believe this season will actually be 16 episodes.
I don't think Mike has any love for Walt. The only thing Walt has going for him is Jesse if Mike found out. As far as it goes now, Gus's death could be considered a revenge killing after what went down with the Mexican syndicate.
I don't think Mike has any love for Walt. The only thing Walt has going for him is Jesse if Mike found out. As far as it goes now, Gus's death could be considered a revenge killing after what went down with the Mexican syndicate.
I agree, but Mike doesn't seem like the kinda guy who would take matters into his own hands, nor would he get too caught up in emotion. He's a soldier, not a general. He's very good at it, and a great character, but I could see him worrying about is (daughter/granddaughter?) and his general well being when wondering if he should escalate or not.
I'm just hoping that they keep Jesse and Walt on the same side this time. They are the ultimate odd couple. There should always be some tension between them, but it also provides some comedy.
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And of course they have to figure out a way to kill Walt. Of course, no one knows if he will die for sure, but the laws of literature pretty much deem that he has to.
He has to die? I'm not sure I agree with that.
This show has been about what? Walt's transformation. From episode one to where we are now, it's amazing how much his character has changed, and that's been the best part of the show. He's done a complete 180 and what he did to Brock in S4might have been his "low" point. Does he continue to turn and maybe that 180 turns into a 360? I don't know, but I don't think he has to die to make the conclusion of this show any better.
Spoiler of ending of The Shield
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not sure if you watched the Shield, but the show's main character, Vic Mackey(a cop) did some awful things. He killed a cop in his group, he covered up numerous crimes, he stole money from an Aremnian money laundering ring, he disposed of bodies, and he betrayed his friends. He was a pretty awful person, but we as the viewer enjoyed watching him do it.
At the end of the show, Vic doesn't die, but he needed to pay for the crimes he committed and the writers made him pay in a beautiful way. He was forced off the streets for his new job and on a desk, wearing a suit and this was his own personal hell. He lost all his friends, lost all the respect he once had from his fellow officers and his family was out of his life as well. It was an awesome ending, one of the better endings I have seen. There are more details that I'm missing as well.
Vic probably deserved to die as much as Walt does, but the writers don't need to kill off a character to make the conclusion better. There are ways to make a perfect ending besides the obvious.
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This show has been about what? Walt's transformation. From episode one to where we are now, it's amazing how much his character has changed, and that's been the best part of the show. He's done a complete 180 and what he did to Brock in S4might have been his "low" point. Does he continue to turn and maybe that 180 turns into a 360? I don't know, but I don't think he has to die to make the conclusion of this show any better.
Spoiler of ending of The Shield
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not sure if you watched the Shield, but the show's main character, Vic Mackey(a cop) did some awful things. He killed a cop in his group, he covered up numerous crimes, he stole money from an Aremnian money laundering ring, he disposed of bodies, and he betrayed his friends. He was a pretty awful person, but we as the viewer enjoyed watching him do it.
At the end of the show, Vic doesn't die, but he needed to pay for the crimes he committed and the writers made him pay in a beautiful way. He was forced off the streets for his new job and on a desk, wearing a suit and this was his own personal hell. He lost all his friends, lost all the respect he once had from his fellow officers and his family was out of his life as well. It was an awesome ending, one of the better endings I have seen. There are more details that I'm missing as well.
Vic probably deserved to die as much as Walt does, but the writers don't need to kill off a character to make the conclusion better. There are ways to make a perfect ending besides the obvious.
There's a literary rule (I forget the name) about characters who get away with too much and use their powers (IE Walt's chemistry genius) for bad/evil. As well, they've set him up to die since day one for the audience (terminal lung cancer). Finally, like you said, we continue seeing a darker and darker side of him. The thing with Brock may have been the worst, but he's been sliding the whole time and I don't see any reason why he'd turn back now. Even in the flashbacks we see how he's always had some of these character flaws that he's running with now.
Walt HAS to be punished somehow, and generally it's with death. Even his character wants it, He just wants to leave the money to his family and be done with it. He's been struggling with his pain and growing guilt for a while now.
They may come up with something very creative, or they may cheat and try to make everything really happy in the end, but Walt has been set up to die from episode one, and most characters in similar situations in book and film bite it.
Right, as VFF says in the spoiler part of his post, death doesn't always mean death. Sometimes, it can be worse.
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Right, as VFF says in the spoiler part of his post, death doesn't always mean death. Sometimes, it can be worse.
I don't disagree with that, I get what he's saying. I do think though that because they played the cancer angle so heavy handed in the first season and a half it only makes sense for it to be a literal death.
We will see, I could be wrong, and that's part of the fun.
I don't disagree with that, I get what he's saying. I do think though that because they played the cancer angle so heavy handed in the first season and a half it only makes sense for it to be a literal death.
We will see, I could be wrong, and that's part of the fun.
For sure.
I think they had to be heavy handed with it to put Walt in dark enough place that his turn doesn't seem completely silly.
__________________ I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
I just finished watching all the episodes and am pumped to see where this goes.
If I remember Gus had a kid, I think he mentioned it once when Walt was over for dinner. I don't know the age but maybe if it is older he can take over the family business.
There are so many subtle things in this show that I can't possibly appreciate without watching it again and/or reading write-ups on them.
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ie when Walt was sitting by the pool spinning his gun on the table deciding who to kill and it actually pointed at the flower - which he then poisoned Brock with.
But I do have a problem with the show.. and that's how stupid Walt is. At times it's not very believable that he would do some of the things that he does. Unless the cancer has metastasized to his brain.
An environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
I think Walt's feeding on the power he has attained and that has caused him to become more brazen, but I'm not sure I'd term his actions stupid.
__________________ I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
An environment in which a person encounters only beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforced and alternative ideas are not considered.
Agree on the car. The fly speaks to his obsessive pursuit of purity. Taunting Gus and the comments to Hank were all about ego.
__________________ I am in love with Montana. For other states I have admiration, respect, recognition, even some affection, but with Montana it is love." - John Steinbeck
Agree on the car. The fly speaks to his obsessive pursuit of purity. Taunting Gus and the comments to Hank were all about ego.
They may have been about ego, but they go to show that he is still completely out of his element and that, despite being drunk, he didn't understand the consequences that would result from hus comments to Hank. If he had been smart, he would have let Hank keep believeing that Gail was Heisenberg. He should have realized that he would have had Hank off his arse if he had just let it go.
They may have been about ego, but they go to show that he is still completely out of his element and that, despite being drunk, he didn't understand the consequences that would result from hus comments to Hank. If he had been smart, he would have let Hank keep believeing that Gail was Heisenberg. He should have realized that he would have had Hank off his arse if he had just let it go.
Completely disagree.
He's not worried about getting caught because he believes he is smarter than they are. He's enjoying the chase as much as the power. He wanted to keep that going.
Not about lack of intelligence at all in my mind.
I think it's one of the great dynamics of the series actually.
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He's not worried about getting caught because he believes he is smarter than they are. He's enjoying the chase as much as the power. He wanted to keep that going.
Not about lack of intelligence at all in my mind.
I think it's one of the great dynamics of the series actually.
I think you're right about him enjoying the chase, and it is also a power thing where he competes with Hank. There were a few episodes where Walt was sort of in Hank's shadow and I think Walt almost wants to compete with Hank on his territory. Walt enjoys having power.
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