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Old 04-23-2012, 07:54 AM   #41
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Bill Paxton is awesome. He's been killed by a Terminator, an Alien and a Predator.
Hey! We don't know for sure if he died in Aliens. He's still MIA. I like to believe he's alive.
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Hey! We don't know for sure if he died in Aliens. He's still MIA. I like to believe he's alive.
I also sleep soundly believing that somewhere out there, Bill Paxton is contributing to the confusion between himself and Bill Pullman.
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I have only seen parts of Blade Runner...
You should check out the entire film as it's some of Scott's finest work. Definately a movie that was ahead of it's time. Anyone seen the extended cut?
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I have only seen parts of Blade Runner...
Do what Edward James Olmos suggested and watch the end of Battlestar Galactica and then watch Blade Runner right after. BSG ends in 2011. Blade Runner starts in 2017. He said Gaff could be a descendant.

It kind of fits together.

I normally never recommend modern cuts that go back and fix things (ala Lucas) but Ridley Scott's Final Cut from 2007 is actually the definitive version and they went back and made some important fixes that were very well done to make up for one scene (the doves flying into the sky) where the budget ran out in the original version.

There are many cuts of Blade Runner and they are all unique but I enjoy the 2007 Final Cut the most. After that, you can check out the original theatrical cut which is an entirely different beast as it features Harrison Ford doing a film-noir detective voiceover the entire film (some people claim he did a bad job on purpose) with an ending from unused clips from The Shining!

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It's amazing how well Blade Runner holds up 30 years later.
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Old 04-23-2012, 02:39 PM   #46
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Fair enough. I guess i just had too much time on my hands, and just devoured those kinds of flicks to the point of being able to picture some of their moments in my minds eye.

With Aliens, i remember having a VHS copy that i taped of the extended cut, with all of the gun-sentry stuff added.
I need to find a copy of this. I always thought I dreamed this scene...only seeing it once and never being able to find it again. Everyone I mention it to has never seen it either.
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I need to find a copy of this. I always thought I dreamed this scene...only seeing it once and never being able to find it again. Everyone I mention it to has never seen it either.
Yeah I have the extended cut on DVD it has these scenes. Definitely adds to the film and the story.
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I need to find a copy of this. I always thought I dreamed this scene...only seeing it once and never being able to find it again. Everyone I mention it to has never seen it either.
I never understood why they cut this scene, it was badass.

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That's awesome. I've never seen that scene before either. That scene's lasted the test of time too. Pretty high resolution graphics on the gun counters and good design. Compare to other science fiction movies at the time who's computer displays were still showing big blocky things that looked straight out of an Atari 2600.
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When I see the clips from Aliens, it is no wonder I was such a huge Halo series fan. So many subtle and not so subtle nods to this film in that series.
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When I see the clips from Aliens, it is no wonder I was such a huge Halo series fan. So many subtle and not so subtle nods to this film in that series.
It just shows how instrumental and influential those handful of movies from the late 70s to 80s are.

Whenever someone talks about their influences it's usually "Aliens, Blade Runner, Terminator".
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Just re-watched Alien tonight...hadn't seen it since I was 11-12.
Couldn't remember much of it, but I could have sworn there was more action.
Maybe I'm getting Alien and Aliens all mixed together.
Side note: the abandoned ship on the planet looked exactly like the ship in the Prometheus trailer, and it got me even more excited.
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When I see the clips from Aliens, it is no wonder I was such a huge Halo series fan. So many subtle and not so subtle nods to this film in that series.
Also Starcraft. Some direct take offs in there.
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:32 PM   #54
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Glad I started this thread, Gotta rewatch Alien, Aliens and finally sit down and watch all of Blade Runner.
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Just re-watched Alien tonight...hadn't seen it since I was 11-12.
Couldn't remember much of it, but I could have sworn there was more action.
Maybe I'm getting Alien and Aliens all mixed together.
Side note: the abandoned ship on the planet looked exactly like the ship in the Prometheus trailer, and it got me even more excited.
Yeah, Aliens is the one with all the action.

Alien = suspense sci-fi horror
Aliens = sci-fi action horror
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It just shows how instrumental and influential those handful of movies from the late 70s to 80s are.

Whenever someone talks about their influences it's usually "Aliens, Blade Runner, Terminator".
I think a huge part of it also, was it was the absolute peak, of real life special effects using models, miniatures etc. And when you watch the action scenes in movies like Aliens, Predator...etc, the action looks better than CGI does now. CGI still doesn't look natural, and therefore, I feel it isn't as memorable.

When you watch the Aliens move in Aliens especially, then look at how the Aliens move in the following films, it was just way creepier, and believable in the "man in a suit" films. I believe they hired a bunch of french acrobats to do the "man in a suit" scenes in Aliens. I am sure I read that somewhere.

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I think a huge part of it also, was it was the absolute peak, of real life special effects using models, miniatures etc. And when you watch the action scenes in movies like Aliens, Predator...etc, the action looks better than CGI does now. CGI still doesn't look natural, and therefore, I feel it isn't as memorable.

When you watch the Aliens move in Aliens especially, then look at how the Aliens move in the following films, it was just way creepier, and believable in the "man in a suit" films. I believe they hired a bunch of french acrobats to do the "man in a suit" scenes in Aliens. I am sure I read that somewhere.

edit: sort of..lol, don't know where I got the french part from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliens_%28film%29
I agree, some of the old special effects look a lot more convincing than some of the CG done now. There's very few people who can do it right.

I think to do it right you gotta use all forms with the CG. Sets, costumes, props, puppets, and actors. Like the approach Peter Jackson took with Lord of the Rings.

If there ever was an example on how to do modern special effects properly, it was that trilogy. Unfortunately many directors think you can just throw in a bunch of CG in there and have the same effect.
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The creature's head was changed from the sleek shape used in Alien, as the crew thought that the original shape would crack with the creatures' increased mobility. Ridges were added along the head to increase its durability during movements.
When people think of the Xenomorphs, they usually think of the version from Aliens. They forget the original totally creepy Giger Xenomorph from Alien which had a translucent head and a visible human skull inside which made you wonder exactly what it was. Later Aliens had much more alien skulls.


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^^^Apparently they avoided any full face or head on shots of the creature i the final cut, as they wanted to dehumanize it as much as possible.
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^^^Apparently they avoided any full face or head on shots of the creature i the final cut, as they wanted to dehumanize it as much as possible.
I think it would have been incredibly creepy if the reason the aliens were gathering humans in those digestive sacs was that they were made from human beings but I guess that is going a bit too much into cliche/zombie movie territory.
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