April 23 2012: Alberta Provincial Election

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Slava

I don't think there is a hope for the Liberals in Elbow. No ground game to speak of and a parachute candidate basically.

I'm surprised that the Liberals abandoned that riding to a parachute candidate, it was hotly contested last time, and with the PCs on the rocks, I thought it was a vulnerable seat to go Liberal.

Then again, the NDP MPs in Quebec taught me anything is possible.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I'm surprised that the Liberals abandoned that riding to a parachute candidate, it was hotly contested last time, and with the PCs on the rocks, I thought it was a vulnerable seat to go Liberal.

Then again, the NDP MPs in Quebec taught me anything is possible.

Ya, no question. Before Redford that was held by Craig Cheffins and it was a solid riding in that sense for the Liberals. I don't know the whole story there, but there are some Liberals not pleased about how that has gone.

While I think things will be better than the polls show on Monday, I also think that the Liberals will look back at what might have been in some ways. If they had pressed hard for a good slate of 87 people who want to win and actually be an MLA it would be a start. There are too many parachute candidates and placeholders on the whole though, and that's not going to change many minds.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by moon

Maybe I am missing something down here but talking to people and seeing signs I can't imagine the Liberals winning Lethbridge West at all.

They seem to me to be the 4th choice but that is mainly anecdotal.

Maybe not from 4th, but that's pretty much how the vote split works. If he was a close second last time and he's supposedly 3rd, then with enough of a split he wins. Lethbridge West has always been like that, and its not the PC domination people might expect there.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by photon

I've lost count of how many times I've been robocalled today.

Whoever hasn't robocalled me gets my vote.

I'm leaning that way too. I just got my first Liberal one today, so NDP it is, I guess.


I'm thinking of voting Wild Rose just so I can start a petition on Tuesday to amend whatever acts govern the sharing of voter registration information to prevent providing the information to the parties or candidates.

[kn]

A good summary of the "leadership" of Redford and what I suspect is the primary motivation among many Wildrose supporters...

http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion...029/story.html

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Makarov

That strikes me as a profoundly ignorant thing to say about an incumbent MLA, especially one who has achieved as much as Kent Hehr has in his life.

His lack of support on a political level is an established fact. Don't bother being shocked when he loses Monday.

[kn]

The Liberals have put up this website to encourage Liberals to stay with them or you'll have Morton as the next PC leader in order to try and recapture the right:

http://mortonopposition.com/

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

His lack of support on a political level is an established fact. Don't bother being shocked when he loses Monday.

Perhaps you would kindly post the evidence which establishes this fact?

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by kn

The Liberals have put up this website to encourage Liberals to stay with them or you'll have Morton as the next PC leader in order to try and recapture the right:

Normally they might be correct but Morton is probably going to lose his seat. Imagine the horror on Liberals faces if they strategically vote PC, The WR wins anyways, Redford resigns and Morton takes over the PC party

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Normally they might be correct but Morton is probably going to lose his seat. Imagine the horror on Liberals faces if they strategically vote PC, The WR wins anyways, Redford resigns and Morton takes over the PC party

Yup, Morton is gone, Hehr is gone, Fawcett gone.

Dang, I said I wasn't going to make any predictions.

[Jacks]

Just looked at that website, pretty childish. The Liberals aren't doing themselves any favors with this sort of crap combined with Raj's nasty tweets, his call to be made a minister and the side show he put on in the debates. Can't take that guy seriously anymore.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Yup, Morton is gone, Hehr is gone, Fawcett gone.

Dang, I said I wasn't going to make any predictions.

You actually think this is the case (about Hehr)? I can't see any evidence of that whatsoever. I suppose Blanchard would be closest, but if he wins its because of a surge of Wildrose and not because of the candidate or anything else. I'll be incredibly shocked if Hehr loses. I think you even said on twitter that you'd vote for him if you weren't Wildrose?

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Perhaps you would kindly post the evidence which establishes this fact?

How quickly people forget.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...-deadline.html

[Slava]

^LOL. So he lost the race for mayor and can't win as an incumbent MLA? What does that say about Nixon running for the Wildrose (who lost as alderman)?

If that's all you have though, thats a non-factor.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Slava

You actually think this is the case (about Hehr)? I can't see any evidence of that whatsoever. I suppose Blanchard would be closest, but if he wins its because of a surge of Wildrose and not because of the candidate or anything else. I'll be incredibly shocked if Hehr loses. I think you even said on twitter that you'd vote for him if you weren't Wildrose?

Actually what I said on twitter was; if for some reason I couldn't vote Wildrose, my vote would go to Liberal. Not Hehr specifically. Not that he's a bad guy, that just wasn't my specific reference.

Though after being at the local debate I couldn't vote for the Liberal. He was just too darn aggressive, to the point of being disrespectful.

Back to Hehr. I believe he is losing support for two reasons. One, his mayors run. Some don't like that he didn't step down, others don't like being sloppy seconds and not knowing if he will do it again. Two, as I understand it, he and his supporters have been telling people at the door he is willing to cross the floor to the PC's in minority situation. You either stand for something or nothing at all.

That last statement is even more true for Morton.

BTW: I never predicted a Blanchard win, just a Hehr loss.

[Joborule]

Man this is a odd spot to be in. I don't like either PC or Wildrose party for this election.

Don't like the stupid law of taking away your car despite not breaking the legal drinking limit. Go harder after those who actually break the law, rather than those who don't and aren't as much of a threat on the roads. Stupid dolts.

Don't like the bigot canadate for Wildrose. I simply cannot support a party that has people that have such an outdated viewpoint. They're not fit for authority in our society.

I feel like a protest vote towards Liberals would be useless, and give Wildrose a greater winning margin. (Although one vote doesn't make a difference)

You figure people in politics would be getting better at this as time goes on. Not worse.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Actually what I said on twitter was; if for some reason I couldn't vote Wildrose, my vote would go to Liberal. Not Hehr specifically. Not that he's a bad guy, that just wasn't my specific reference.

Though after being at the local debate I couldn't vote for the Liberal. He was just too darn aggressive, to the point of being disrespectful.

Back to Hehr. I believe he is losing support for two reasons. One, his mayors run. Some don't like that he didn't step down, others don't like being sloppy seconds and not knowing if he will do it again. Two, as I understand it, he and his supporters have been telling people at the door he is willing to cross the floor to the PC's in minority situation. You either stand for something or nothing at all.

That last statement is even more true for Morton.

BTW: I never predicted a Blanchard win, just a Hehr loss.

Ok, sorry to put words in your mouth, I thought you said you would vote for him specifically. I don't think that the mayoral race hurts him at all. I can see why it might cause a few to look another way, but really he was never going to win every vote in the riding.

The floor crossing is news to me. I can tell you that I haven't heard anything to that effect and I would. I think that any innuendo to that effect is coming from other campaigns, as well as rumors that he might be losing.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Slava

Ok, sorry to put words in your mouth, I thought you said you would vote for him specifically. I don't think that the mayoral race hurts him at all. I can see why it might cause a few to look another way, but really he was never going to win every vote in the riding.

The floor crossing is news to me. I can tell you that I haven't heard anything to that effect and I would. I think that any innuendo to that effect is coming from other campaigns, as well as rumors that he might be losing.

So you are close to his campaign? Have you seen internal polling numbers?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by First Lady

So you are close to his campaign? Have you seen internal polling numbers?

I'm close and responded more via PM.

[Slava]

Heres a released internal poll from the Hehr Campaign, which pretty much alludes to my thoughts and information:
http://www.kenthehr.com/2012/04/inte...drose-locally/