The OFFICIAL 2012 MLB Regular Season Thread

[moon]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

And sorry you disagree with every prospect ranking done this summer that I choose to believe the Jays farm system is strong. When everyone starts saying it, every organizational ranking, every prospect expert says it, I tend to believe the Jays farm system is pretty damn good. I'll take the opinions of numerous experts over well.....you.

I never said that the Jays had a poor farm system I have issue with whether these rankings mean a whole lot at the end of the day. My favorite team is ranked high in these this year and I don't hold out a lot of hope that this means we will be any more successful in the next 5-10 years than we were in the past 10 when we had crappy rankings.

Really Moon? Nothing close to what you hear on the message boards or radio? Please direct me to these message boards and magical places where people are rating the Jays even higher then what Cashman did. Fact is the large amount of Jays fans simply believe this team is a good baseball team, and could have a great future. That is the going belief and it's one shared in the outside baseball world.

Listen to PTS and you seem to have found this site just fine.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by moon

I never said that the Jays had a poor farm system I have issue with whether these rankings mean a whole lot at the end of the day. My favorite team is ranked high in these this year and I don't hold out a lot of hope that this means we will be any more successful in the next 5-10 years than we were in the past 10 when we had crappy rankings.



Listen to PTS and you seem to have found this site just fine.

Nobody on this site has said anything that could be considered over the top about the Jays chances this season. Even PTS, I'd like to hear any quotes or things directly said by anyone on that show that would be considered over the top.

[moon]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

Nobody on this site has said anything that could be considered over the top about the Jays chances this season. Even PTS, I'd like to hear any quotes or things directly said by anyone on that show that would be considered over the top.

As mentioned earlier Mccown consistently comparing them to the 91-92 teams seems fairly over the top.

People talking about the line-up being the best in baseball, to me, is over the top.

Mccown consistently talking about Morrow being a multiple Cy Young winner is over the top.

Wilner consistently says ridiculous things and makes up excuses after every lose. Will remember to write down specifics if need be.

Will listen for more specifics now because usually I tune it out after they go on more than a minute or two about the Jays, especially on round tables.

[CofR]

I don't think that the media makes the Jays seem like they're anything they're not. They're a rising team with a top notch farm system... Intelligent baseball media members know that and recognize it. The guys on PTS are complete clowns.

[moon]

Originally Posted by CofR

I don't think that the media makes the Jays seem like they're anything they're not. They're a rising team with a top notch farm system... Intelligent baseball media members know that and recognize it. The guys on PTS are complete clowns.

Since I am not a Jays fan my only consistent exposure to them is on PTS and Sportsnet and I find them to be over the top with the praise of the team and overrating how good they are now and likely to be in the future.

Elliot seems to be smart so I imagine that he has his head on straight and a pretty decent read on the team. Not sure if Blair still writes but if he does based on his past articles he seems like an idiot so who knows what his opinion is.

Maybe the real baseball guys are being pretty level headed I do find the two above mentioned platforms are very cheerleader-like in their coverage of the Jays.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by moon

As mentioned earlier Mccown consistently comparing them to the 91-92 teams seems fairly over the top.

People talking about the line-up being the best in baseball, to me, is over the top.

Mccown consistently talking about Morrow being a multiple Cy Young winner is over the top.

Wilner consistently says ridiculous things and makes up excuses after every lose. Will remember to write down specifics if need be.

Will listen for more specifics now because usually I tune it out after they go on more than a minute or two about the Jays, especially on round tables.

People saying this lineup is the best in baseball....nobody says that Moon. Nobody on CP, nobody on Jays forums. The sentiment is it's a good lineup and if everyone can hit how they have before, it could be one of the best. Don't use that rhetoric...

Wilner has twitter, he's very active on it. It's very easy to see his points of view, I'd love to see you debate them at all.

I believe you're twisting words in typical moon fashion, almost all of his guests are Toronto sports writers and all their thoughts on the Jays can be found online and say nothing even close to what you're trying to insinuate.

To end this argument now:
The very very high majority of people in the baseball world, in Canada and not, believe the Jays are a good baseball team right now, a chance to make the playoffs, nobody is saying it's a lock or calling this lineup the best in baseball or anything else. They also put more stock into the quality of the players the Jays have drafted and the number of prospects they now have. That is the majority of what experts have to say, and what fans have to say that this team has a change to be great in the future and for a very long time. You don't believe the Jays farm system, prospect rankings, how these players are performing in the minor leagues to mean anything, that's fine.

[moon]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

I believe you're twisting words in typical moon fashion, almost all of his guests are Toronto sports writers and all their thoughts on the Jays can be found online and say nothing even close to what you're trying to insinuate.

If I am twisting words how come other posters have said that they hear the same kind of cheerleading/blowing smoke that I have?

I know how Jays arguments go on this site so I should have just let it be and let people bury their heads like they like to do when it comes to the Jays.

[Sylvanfan]

There was an aritcal in a Toronto paper last year when the Jays pulled like one game ahead of Tampa where it was saying they've already matched Tampa and now have New York and Boston in their sites. Of course they played Tampa the coming week and lost like 3 of 4.

It was in last years Blue Jays thread. When I have some time later on, I'll try to dig it up. Since I know I'll get flamed for suggesting it, and not having it ready.

I mean, really when it comes to prospective players and the like...I tend to be skeptical and consider it being a bunch of sunshine blown up my arse to an extent....It's the way I am. You can have great prospects, but it doesn't always mean they'll all make the majors and turn into anything that much better than what the team already has Take the Rolen trade from a couple years ago...the guy who's the piece of the return so far is Encarnacion, the established player they got back. So I always take those with a grain of salt. Eventually you have to replace the older more expensive players with younger cheaper ones...but good prospects, don't always provide an upgrade on the replaced guy.

I find Sportsnets telecasts this year tough to watch because Buck Martinez will be talking about how he thinks Eric Thames is going to hit 25 home runs this year...than he'll ground out to 2nd...than Colby Rasmus will come up and well he's only hitting .125 on the season and below the mendoza line since he's been a Jay...but he's getting really good swings. Than it repeats when Arencibia comes up. For me it's like being a Flames fan watching Sportsnet Oilers coverage. Sorry that it offends people, but it's the way I am.

Either way, I've derailed this thread enough. Point still stands that the Angels by having Wells are keeping better hitters from getting playing time. Really they have Wells, Morales, Hunter who are all similar blocking a guy like Trumbo from getting playing time. Although Abreu and Morales being LH bats at least offer something different.

[flames_1987]

Sylvan, I'll take credit for derailing this thread, so I'll agree 100% I still have no idea why Vernon Wells still sees at bats. It's why so many teams struggle, afraid to look at their mistakes in the mirror. No way VW sees another at bat if he makes half the money he does.

[flames_1987]

Texas looks great to start the season. Beating around Lester tonight

[GirlySports]

The Natinals are 9-3

[Sylvanfan]

Jamie Moyer becomes the oldest player to win a game at 49+ years of age. 7 innings and no earned runs against in Coors field.

[Montana Moe]

Leading 8-1 in the 4th, the Mariners proceed to give up 8 runs in the 5th and lose 9-8.

Gotta love em?

[saskflames69]

Can't wait until the Nationals-Jays series from June 11-13. There's gonna be a lot of Expos fans in Toronto that week.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Jamie Moyer becomes the oldest player to win a game at 49+ years of age. 7 innings and no earned runs against in Coors field.

His rookie season was in 1986 I think for the Cubs. Amazing!

[CofR]

According to Elias, Moyer has pitched to 8% of hitters in major league history... Amazing.

[CofR]

Sox send Mark Melancon to Pawtucket.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by CofR

Sox send Mark Melancon to Pawtucket.

Boooooo his 50.00 ERA was just ready to lower its way down

[flames_1987]

How awful is NL hitting when Moyer can't throw anything almost over 80 mph and still get outs? Even if he did get 4 double plays! Nice story, but I think this is the end of the story

The real pitching matchup to watch vs Philly and SanFran is tonight with Cain Vs Lee.

[trumpethead]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

The real pitching matchup to watch vs Philly and SanFran is tonight with Cain Vs Lee.

It hasn't dissapointed. Cain and Lee going toe-to-toe and have both pitched into the ninth. 0-0 game with the Giants coming up in the bottom of the 9th.