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Cowperson · 03-01-2006, 09:38 AM

The NFL and its players union have broken away from talks without agreement on a new CBA.

2007 could be a no cap year in the NFL as a result.

You gotta like the union hand in this dispute . . . . completely the opposite of where the NHLPA was last year.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/62573.htm

Cowperson

nfotiu · 03-01-2006, 10:02 AM

Anyone understand how their deal works? What I am understanding is this: If no deal is reached by Thursday, then the players get screwed for a year by having a lower than normal cap, but the owners get screwed for the following year with an uncapped year. And no strikes or lockouts are allowed during either of those years.

So what happens if a deal is made after Thursday, but before the uncapped year? I guess the owners have some leverage right now, but if they play this season with a low cap, the leverage quickly goes to the players.

flames_1987 · 03-01-2006, 10:15 AM

Just hearing those words, "CBA, CAP exc." just makes me sick to my stomache.

I could be wrong here, but is this not the fat cats of the league pushing for this non cap year, Jerry Jones like owners? It looks like 2007 will be a cap year, which really is gonna mess up the NFL Free Agnecy Pool this year. I think Edge has played his last game as a colt because of it.

Sylvanfan · 03-01-2006, 10:23 AM

Well from what I heard on the fan yesterday it sounds like the NFL owners arguing amongst themselves is more of an issue than the cap vs. no cap thing. Larger market owners don't want to share as much revenues with the small market teams. Until the owners themselves can agree how they want to divide their pie, it's pointless for them to start handing it out to the players. Phillosophically the players have agreed to the cap. That was the major stumbling block in the NHL. Once the owners resolve issues among themselves, than they can starting looking at defining what revenue streams are and how much of it will go back to the players. The NFL players union is well aware that the owners are a strong group and won't be beaten by the players. But that doesn't mean they can't destroy themselves from within. The players are happy to sit back and let the owners fight among themselves.

flames_1987 · 03-01-2006, 10:25 AM

If somehow they don't come to an agreement come FA time, man is it gonna be wild and wacky in the NFL for a lot if big names.

Cowperson · 03-01-2006, 03:25 PM

In the NHL, the majority of owners were either losing money or were on the verge and therefore unity to a common purpose was pretty easy. As well, the one thing they learned from ten years of an uncapped league was that players were not the enemy . . . . their fellow owners were the enemy.

In the NHL, owners had the purpose and the truth of the argument behind them and players were vastly overconfident.

In the NFL, a hugely successful money making enterprise, the same principle will hold true . . . . owners are their own worst enemy.

The difference with the NFL, however, is there is no point in owners claiming economic distress and there is certainly no unity or common sense of purpose. They are vastly exposed and certainly will give up a lot to keep a cap as the majority will probably want . . . . even though a certain cadre of richer owners will balk.

Players in the NFL are at a point where they have a tremendous amount of power to strike a very favourable deal . . . . . in exchange for keeping a salary cap.

Always look for the truth . . . . and the lies. Players will win this one.

Cowperson

transplant99 · 03-02-2006, 10:59 AM

Looks like the owners have dug in and said they are giving all they will.

Its gonna be a blood letting today as all teams have to be under last years cap by midnight tonight.

people will be stunned with some of the players cut loose.

http://tsn.ca/nfl/news_story.asp?id=156797

transplant99 · 03-02-2006, 11:09 AM

just found this list of NFL teams and their cap status...unbelievable how the Raiders could be THAT bad and still have these issues.

These teams are over...

Over the salary capTeamCap status (over)Oakland Raiders $23.5 million Kansas City Chiefs $18.2 million Tennessee Titans $11.6 million Washington Redskins $14.5 million Atlanta Falcons $9.2 million New York Jets $8.6 million Indianapolis Colts $6.9 million Tampa Bay Buccaneers $6.2 million Miami Dolphins $5.7 million Carolina Panthers $5.6 million Pittsburgh Steelers $4.5 million

And the list of teams who's GM's are licking their chops ready to turn a pretender into a contender in the space of 2 or 3 weeks.

Under the salary capTeamCap status (under)Minnesota Vikings $26.5 million Arizona Cardinals $24.3 million Cleveland Browns $24 million Green Bay Packers $23.5 million San Francisco 49ers $19.9 million San Diego Chargers $19.6 million Jacksonville Jaguars $16.7 million Philadelphia Eagles $16.7 million Baltimore Ravens $14.4 million Detroit Lions $13.1 million St. Louis Rams $13.1 million Seattle Seahawks $12 million Cincinnati Bengals $11.5 million Buffalo Bills $11.05 million New Orleans Saints $10.7 million Chicago Bears $10.3 million Houston Texans $8.3 million

And the rest who it seems wont be affected much at all....

New York Giants $5.8 million New England Patriots $4 million Dallas Cowboys $1.3 million Denver Broncos $1 million

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2349505

flames_1987 · 03-02-2006, 11:12 AM

Lawyer Milloy, Sam Adams, Sam Madaison, Brad Hopkins already cut. WOW is the NFL ever gonna look different next year. Many more to come today

flames_1987 · 03-02-2006, 11:13 AM

Priest Holmes, Chad Pennington a few names we might see with different jersey's on. Colts Cap situation isn't that bad as that number represents the team with Edge, with him all but gone they're very close to the cap

burn_baby_burn · 03-02-2006, 12:08 PM

I don't think Priest Holmes will be released for cap purposes. I follow the Chiefs very close and from what I understand from the Kansas City Star the Chiefs will not save much if they cut Holmes because they still need to count a portion of his signing bonus from a few years ago. The cap savings would be about $500,000 or something like that. Holmes is still 50/50 on being healthy enough to play this coming season anyway. The likley cap casualties in KC are OL Will Shields (2006 cap number of $5.5 million), LB Kendrall Bell, CB Eric Warfield, OL Chris Bober, and CB Dexter McCleon. But who knows what might happen. Peterson would love to keep Shields in a Chiefs uniform if he can rework his contract. The Chiefs also face the reality of losing DT Lional Dalton and FB Tony Richardson to FA.

flames_1987 · 03-02-2006, 12:14 PM

You'd know much better I just went with what I saw a tidbit of on ESPN's front page.

It's intresting to see these player moves no doubt, but to me this is just another sad sad day for sports as a whole. The all mighty dollar dictating another sport a lot of us love.

Cowperson · 03-02-2006, 01:14 PM

Interesting opinion piece on what losing the cap might mean for the NFL . . . . it also might imply good things for the NHL which just got a cap.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11640378/

Cowperson

burn_baby_burn · 03-02-2006, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowperson

Interesting opinion piece on what losing the cap might mean for the NFL . . . . it also might imply good things for the NHL which just got a cap.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11640378/

Cowperson

I found it enteresting that he included the Patriots in with the Cowboys and Redskins. If the Patriots hadn't of won three Super Bowls recently would they be considered an economic power house? From what I understand the owners and the players are only 4% apart. The owners want to cap the league payrolls at 56% of revenues and the players want it at 60%. Doesn't sound like much, but that measily 4% should represent between $300 and $350 million. If you take $350 million and divide it amongst the 32 teams and then divide it by the max roster size of 56 you are looking at just under $200,000 per player. Doesnt seem like much does it? Allthough I would give my left nut to have an extra $200K each year.

This system of revenue sharing has worked for allmost 40 years. The old boy's club of owners worked very hard to achieve and maintain the current system in the NFL. Now newer, greedy owners like Jones and Snyder want to throw all that tradition and money away from the league for their own financial gain. When is enough money enough? Or I guess the two of them are so desperate for a Super Bowl ring that they will jepardize the entire league just so they can buy the Lombardi trophy. News flash, if Snyder and Jones let football people handle football operations then maybe their teams would have a better chance. Snyder plays musical coaches and Jones thinks he is the GM. I guess they own the team and can do what they want. But if they are going to ruin something that I love. They can go to hell. Sorry to get on a rant. I just don't want to go through the same thing in the NFL that we just went through in the NHL.

Cowperson · 03-02-2006, 02:54 PM

I just don't want to go through the same thing in the NFL that we just went through in the NHL.

It won't happen. The profits on all sides says it won't happen.

In the NHL, the losses on one side guaranteed it would happen.

We don't have to look at it any deeper than that.

Cowperson

burn_baby_burn · 03-02-2006, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowperson

I just don't want to go through the same thing in the NFL that we just went through in the NHL.

It won't happen. The profits on all sides says it won't happen.

In the NHL, the losses on one side guaranteed it would happen.

We don't have to look at it any deeper than that.

Cowperson

I hope your right. But it would be a shame to see the current revenue sharing and salary cap system go. The thing I love about the NFL is that at the start of training camp you believe that your team has a chance. Maybe certain years you know better. But usually you are excited about the season. In the old NHL all I wanted was for the Flames to make the playoffs, and knew that was far fetched. I really hope that they don't let a few owners ruin a good thing.

flames_1987 · 03-02-2006, 03:33 PM

Looks like today won't end up being known as Bloody Thursday in the NFL as the deadline has been pushed back 3 days for FA.

burn_baby_burn · 03-02-2006, 03:53 PM

Here's the link. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2351271

Resolute 14 · 03-02-2006, 11:00 PM

Nothing would make me happier than to see the NFL disappear.

Though all networks on both sides of the border would just shove that god-awful NCAA footbal down our throats.

burn_baby_burn · 03-03-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakeeye

Nothing would make me happier than to see the NFL disappear.

Though all networks on both sides of the border would just shove that god-awful NCAA footbal down our throats.

Please elaborate. If you don't like it you don't need to watch it.