Tipping a server

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

fyp.

So, and this is directed at *SPRINGS1*. Let's say you order something from Amazon. You get it in the mail and realize that it's the wrong item. Do you blame it on UPS, too?

I would only blame UPS if they can notice the box label has something different than the order sheet if one is stuck to the box.

If Amazon put the wrong thing in the box and the UPS guy doesn't know what I ordered, HOW the hell can you blame the UPS guy if the box is sealed shut? He doesn't know what's inside the box?

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by Springs1

No, I don't serve broccoli or cook it.

Well that's certainly a surprise from the otherwise healthy diet you seem to be on

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

Also, has the returning poster debate been brought up yet?

Are you saying this all about a Pillsbury bake off contest?

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Springs1

HOW the hell can you blame the UPS

GOOD question. I GUESS that's WHY i'd blame the person running the PASS in the kitchen vs the server. *THE* servers job isn't generally quality control *IT'S* serving. I guess *OUTBACK* doesn't have a person RUNNING the quality control *IN* the kitchen *.*

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Are you saying this all about a Pillsbury bake off contest?

I never even thought about that, but it's quite the possibility.

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

GOOD question. I GUESS that's WHY i'd blame the person running the PASS in the kitchen vs the server. *THE* servers job isn't generally quality control *IT'S* serving. I guess *OUTBACK* doesn't have a person RUNNING the quality control *IN* the kitchen *.*

But that's not who I am *PAYING* is it? You see, for the tip, you have to do quality control otherwise, HOW can you expect to get a good tip if you don't give a care about *WHAT* you are bringing out to the customer for any obvious errors?

I mean if I order chicken, why are you bringing me a steak?

What's the point of (TIPPING) the server if they aren't going to give ONE OUNCE of *CARE* about WHAT'S ON MY PLATE, huh?

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by Springs1

But it's not the "PLACES", it's the *****SERVER*******. You just don't get it, do you?

Some words of advice

1) Yes, 9/10 if you go to a place that has strong service reviews, the service will be good. What a crazy concept. They've become popular, got good reviews for their service, because they have good servers. The fact that you went to a place where you spent a lot of money once, and didn't like the service, does not wipe out this idea or logic.

2) There is a difference between a server at Chilli's and a server at an expensive Steakhouse. You want better service, be expected to pay more money. The Servers have more experience, stronger culinary knowledge, wine knowledge and are genuinely much older.

3) Ordering numerous Soda pop refills at a fine dining establishment, be prepared to wait a little. This is not what their establishment is based on or the type of clientele they are catering to.

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

GOOD question. I GUESS that's WHY i'd blame the person running the PASS in the kitchen vs the server. *THE* servers job isn't generally quality control *IT'S* serving. I guess *OUTBACK* doesn't have a person RUNNING the quality control *IN* the kitchen *.*.

The person *SERVING* me mac n' cheese when I ordered fries was my server, therefore, you can't blame the person that plated the food, can you? You leave the room, it's now on *YOU* for such an OBVIOUS error.

[metallicat]

Give it up springs.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Springs1

What's the point of (TIPPING) the server if they aren't going to give ONE OUNCE of *CARE* about WHAT'S ON MY PLATE, huh?

I honestly don't think you should be surprised that any server in the world doesn't give once ounce of care what they serve you.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by Springs1

But that's not who I am *PAYING* is it? You see, for the tip, you have to do quality control otherwise, HOW can you expect to get a good tip if you don't give a care about *WHAT* you are bringing out to the customer for any obvious errors?

I mean if I order chicken, why are you bringing me a steak?

What's the point of (TIPPING) the server if they aren't going to give ONE OUNCE of *CARE* about WHAT'S ON MY PLATE, huh?

So how many times when you go to these places are you brought the wrong food?

Nobody is arguing that if you are brought the wrong food, the server doesn't care at all, and doesn't do anything to make up for this mistake, you should tip them more. The best thing to do would seem to be talk to a manger, stop going to this establishment.

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

1) Yes, 9/10 if you go to a place that has strong service reviews, the service will be good. What a crazy concept. They've become popular, got good reviews for their service, because they have good servers. The fact that you went to a place where you spent a lot of money once, and didn't like the service, does not wipe out this idea or logic.

NOT ALWAYS. That restaurant has good reviews on the internet that I wrote in my other posts about that we just went to this past Saturday, yet a year ago had bad service.

2) There is a difference between a server at Chilli's and a server at an expensive Steakhouse. You want better service, be expected to pay more money. The Servers have more experience, stronger culinary knowledge, wine knowledge and are genuinely much older.

No, there's no difference if the person doesn't care, is lazy, and doesn't have a heart. I got much worse service with that almost $300 meal than a meal at Denny's even.

3) Ordering numerous Soda pop refills at a fine dining establishment, be prepared to wait a little. This is not what their establishment is based on or the type of clientele they are catering to.

So you are saying it's worse service. You are agreeing with me here, don't you see?

It doesn't matter what they are usually catering to. The service should be better at those restaurants and it's just not. I have had at a local chain mexican restaurant had my husband's diet coke refill in literally 30 SECONDS. It was busy too btw.

[flames_1987]

Originally Posted by Springs1

NOT ALWAYS. That restaurant has good reviews on the internet that I wrote in my other posts about that we just went to this past Saturday, yet a year ago had bad service.



No, there's no difference if the person doesn't care, is lazy, and doesn't have a heart. I got much worse service with that almost $300 meal than a meal at Denny's even.



So you are saying it's worse service. You are agreeing with me here, don't you see?

It doesn't matter what they are usually catering to. The service should be better at those restaurants and it's just not. I have had at a local chain mexican restaurant had my husband's diet coke refill in literally 30 SECONDS. It was busy too btw.

If they have good reviews for service, by so many people, chances are you'll get good service. This is not a guarantee but it's only logical that a place with great service reviews, has a great chance at great service. Why would their be so many good reviews?

No what I'm saying is a fine dine establishment, a wine bar, higher end is not in the business of serving much soda pop to it's customers. While you're husband is ordering a coke re-fill, the tables next to you are ordering bottles and glasses of wine, alchol and so fourth. You might want to expect a little longer wait period. A chain Mexican restaurant probably does most of it's drinks sales re: Soda pop so it's going to be a lot quicker.

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

So how many times when you go to these places are you brought the wrong food?

Not too often the wrong food, but it has happened a bunch of times over the years.

The main thing I have just about more or less constantly is the missing condiments like ordering a side of ranch, the appetizer I ordered it with it isn't there or the entree that I ordered, the condiments aren't there either it was brought out by another server or our server.

I have gone for example to a Ruby Tuesday that is out of town 4 times, only ONCE was my condiments not forgotten. EVERY TIME and most of those times, each COURSE(appetizer and entree) the condiments were forgotten. The point is though, that means that one server was good, caring, and not lazy like the other ones were to not just bring that ahead of time if they think someone else will bring out the food or if they are forgetful.

I would say condiments is the NUMBER ONE issue I have of ALL things messed up with my food. I order even just ONE side of ranch with an appetizer, I would say 8 times out of 10, it's not there.

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

No what I'm saying is a fine dine establishment, a wine bar, higher end is not in the business of serving much soda pop to it's customers. While you're husband is ordering a coke re-fill, the tables next to you are ordering bottles and glasses of wine, alchol and so fourth. You might want to expect a little longer wait period. A chain Mexican restaurant probably does most of it's drinks sales re: Soda pop so it's going to be a lot quicker.

But it shouldn't be that way. You are saying that service at those restaurants as far as refills are not good.

I should be getting my coke PRONTO at those restaurants for the *MONEY* we are spending. My husband ordered a bottle of wine($89 I believe something like that), so that's WHY our bill was almost $300. I ordered a coke instead of water with my margarita, what's wrong with that? So my coke should take 10 minutes? That's lousy service ANYWHERE and for a FINE DINING restaurant to take that long is INEXCUSABLE for the amount of MONEY you spend.

They also have a sommelier to help with the wine. So that isn't my server's job. We actually tipped him $10 cash.

[JohnnyHowDoO'duya]

You need to lighten up mate, life is short. You sound like an ogre, seriously it's just food. U mad?

[flames_1987]

So what's the main point you're trying to make Springs1, that establishments all across the board, fine dining or Chilli's need to hire stronger servers? That no matter the establishment, servers right now are not that strong.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Springs1

I should be getting my coke PRONTO at those restaurants for the *MONEY* we are spending.

The guy buying a $5.99 keychain at the Ferrari dealership should get just as good service as the guy buying a $340,000 Italia too.

Your sense of entitlement is amazing. I truly feel sorry for any person in the service or retail industry that has to deal with people like you.

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

So what's the main point you're trying to make Springs1, that establishments all across the board, fine dining or Chilli's need to hire stronger servers? That no matter the establishment, servers right now are not that strong.

Not stronger. Servers that aren't so lazy and uncaring as some of them are. That waiter that forgot my margarita was VERY UNCARING to not say ONE SORRY to my face. I wasn't mean to him or anything. When I reminded him about it NICELY, he just grabbed it from the bar.

The waiter that overcharged us in another restaurant that I mentioned that was $39.95 a person was too LAZY to compare the menu prices to the check prices.

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

The guy buying a $5.99 keychain at the Ferrari dealership should get just as good service as the guy buying a $340,000 Italia too.

Your sense of entitlement is amazing. I truly feel sorry for any person in the service or retail industry that has to deal with people like you.

Your sense of entitlement that servers should all get 20% or more regardless of how crappy they treat you is amazing. If you want that tip, you ****WORK HARD***** for it!!

You shouldn't expect *ANY* form of payment if you choose to be lazy.

So if you are entitled to that tip, I am entitled to what I am paying for, GOOD SERVICE.

Yes, the person that buys something of $5.99 should get just as good service, because the money has ******NOTHING********* to do with service, NOTHING as far as what the product costs. WHY would that matter?

I have gotten BETTER service at MCDONALD'S than some bartenders and servers have given us, HONESTLY when we couldn't tip and very much wish I could have tipped the McDonald's employees. They can't legally accept tips though.

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

The guy buying a $5.99 keychain at the Ferrari dealership should get just as good service as the guy buying a $340,000 Italia too.

Your sense of entitlement is amazing. I truly feel sorry for any person in the service or retail industry that has to deal with people like you.

I have EVERY RIGHT to be entitled since I am the person *HOLDING THE MONEY* that *YOU* WANT. YOU WANT IT, YOU DO THE JOB FOR IT.