Roughly $5000 CAD The standard tanks put under the 150 where the spare goes, can take you about 150km, IŽm going to consider one big tank on the very back of the truck bed, would add another 100km.
But weŽll see, gas is just so stupidly expensive in Iceland now people are either going for small fuel efficient vehicles or doing what I'm doing, since I hate small vehicles.
I completely agree with Table 5 about the Tiguan being useless. There is no room in those things, I'd much rather have a GTI if that is as much room as I needed (or a Golf R if I could get one). The Golf wagon being only FWD does suck, but everything else about that car is more practical.
Honda hasnt really done much in the way of improving their manufacturing process over the last few years, much to my chagrin. They use the same recycled sheet metal and spot welding techniques they always have. It makes for a short corrosion / perforation warranty at 3 years and 5 years respectively-- but it probably won't ever treat you and your family badly-- and it will certainly run for a good number of years.
Hope this helps.
I have to add my $0.02 as the current owner of two Hondas...IMO they are really coasting on their reputation.
The Odyssey van we have is nice enough however it has had enough problems that, if it were a Chevy (or other brand with a less stellar reputation for reliability) I would be turned off of the brand forever...
Also, when the power steering pump failed (under warranty) in the Van Honda Canada's policy was that the pump was under warranty but some associated parts needed to be replaced AS A PART of the warranty repair, but they would not be covered under warranty. That pissed me off no end, and although I didn't pay a dime for the repair that attitude has bothered me.
My in-laws have a 2003(?) CRV and while they like it very much also have some quality issues with the paint.
Long story short...In my opinion Honda/Acura has slid down as a brand and I think will continue to do so...they are just complacent and Sopure's reference to manufacturing reinforces my opinion.
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I have to add my $0.02 as the current owner of two Hondas...IMO they are really coasting on their reputation.
The Odyssey van we have is nice enough however it has had enough problems that, if it were a Chevy (or other brand with a less stellar reputation for reliability) I would be turned off of the brand forever...
Also, when the power steering pump failed (under warranty) in the Van Honda Canada's policy was that the pump was under warranty but some associated parts needed to be replaced AS A PART of the warranty repair, but they would not be covered under warranty. That pissed me off no end, and although I didn't pay a dime for the repair that attitude has bothered me.
My in-laws have a 2003(?) CRV and while they like it very much also have some quality issues with the paint.
Long story short...In my opinion Honda/Acura has slid down as a brand and I think will continue to do so...they are just complacent and Sopure's reference to manufacturing reinforces my opinion.
This, very much this, Honda also hasn't made a good looking car since the S2000 IMO
No, some are made in Mexico, most aren't. That is what every other brand tells you trying to slam our cars, but here is the rundown..
Pylon - is it a genuine slam? I really like the look/price and reviews I've read on the Golf Wagon - it's included in the list of cars built in Mexico. Should that worry us or are the plants there held to the same standard?
Coys, it's not the factory build-quality you have to worry about, it's the ability of all the electrical components to function properly in the long term....and that seems to be a company-wide problem, whether it's a cheapo Mexican VW or German-built Audi (I just hope they don't drag Porsche down with them now).
Not sure why it's always such an issue, but VW never seems to want to fix the number one complaint about their cars. Quality control just might be too expensive, or they deliberately do it to have you replace your car sooner...who knows. Every time I've asked a dealer, or VW reps in these type of threads, about why they don't address these issues, it seems to just get ignored. Until they can show a few years of consistency, I don't recommend anyone get a VW if they plan to keep it past warranty.
The plants are held to the same standard, and the Puebla plant has been around since 1965. Some of us have even toured it. We deal with the armchair experts all the time though, and most of the finger pointing over electrical issues date back two entire generations. Every car will have issues though, regardless of manufacturer. Personally, I enjoy driving, so I buy German cars. I've owned VW's and BMW's (no Audi or Mercedes yet). I had to replace the climate control unit ($200) in the BMW, but nothing in that price range on my VW's.
I buy my cars based on fun-factor/how it relates to my life, and how much money I'm going to be spending on it. Right now I'm in a 2007 VW Rabbit 2.5L with 48,000km. I bought it simply because I love the bullet-proof 2.5L. VW calls for an oil change every 15,000km (so once a year for me), and it has a single-row timing chain, not a belt. I get to completely bypass that $1,200 bill at 120,000km.
Again, the enthusiast in me can find something good in all vehicles on the road-- but the construction fanatic in me can only appreciate certain cars.
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The plants are held to the same standard, and the Puebla plant has been around since 1965. Some of us have even toured it. We deal with the armchair experts all the time though, and most of the finger pointing over electrical issues date back two entire generations. Every car will have issues though, regardless of manufacturer. Personally, I enjoy driving, so I buy German cars. I've owned VW's and BMW's (no Audi or Mercedes yet). I had to replace the climate control unit ($200) in the BMW, but nothing in that price range on my VW's.
So once again I don't get an answer just an underhanded dismissal. I'm no expect, and don't even own an armchair, but we've had 3 VW's in the family and all have had pretty serious electrical issues. Couple that with the ton of anecdotal evidence from friends, and on the web (from people much smarter than me), as well as VW constantly hanging out barely above Jaguar and Mini on every reliability survey, it's hard to ignore as consumer. I thought about a VW during my last purchase (even contacted Pylon about one....very professional btw), but honestly it's this history that made me hesitate and go elsewhere.
At the end of the day its like the Seinfeld episode where the guy shrinks the shirt but refuses to admit it no matter what. I would just like someone at VW to directly respond to the electrical issues and what the company plans to do about them.
Btw, I'm all for European cars myself....haven't owned one yet that isn't. It just bugs me that VW refuses to acknowledge the obvious!
I'm unsure if they've ignored it, is it a common complaint with the existing line? I know it's always been a knock against them and for awhile they had issues but I think that has shifted recently. I did a quick look and came up with this http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...prices-quality
Not a lot of substance there but it does show there was a fairly significant look at quality with this "Moonraker" project. They talk more about build quality but I'd say build could apply to everything and it would only make sense to address the area you are most notorious for.
Anyone have an Outlander? They look a bit interesting too...plus the 6 years of 0% piqued my interest. I don't finance cars but when it's free like that it would be hard to refuse.
Btw, I'm all for European cars myself....haven't owned one yet that isn't. It just bugs me that VW refuses to acknowledge the obvious!
Electrical isn't a huge issue anymore at all. I drive an 8 year old Audi and I follow the forums quite regularly and most of the problems aren't electrical. I won't lie and say there aren't still problems, but many are from having so man ridiculous components, for example, when the radiator for my liquid cooled alternator sprung a leak... or when my self hardening motor mounts went. So there are problems for sure, but no longer the electrical gremlin nature from what I've seen paying attention to these cars.
Anyone have an Outlander? They look a bit interesting too...plus the 6 years of 0% piqued my interest. I don't finance cars but when it's free like that it would be hard to refuse.
I have an 07 Outlander. Pretty decent little SUV. Drives a lot like a car. The folding rear tailgate is a perk when loading any type of gear in the back. The option to switch the AWD system on the fly has worked well for me so far. I think the 2010+ models have an upgraded AWD system.
I have similar interest in a "cross-over" sized vehicle. I spend most of my time in the city but want to occasionally leave the city. I also want the extra cargo space.
If I was willing to spend the money, I'd go:
Subaru Outback
Volvo XC
Acura RDX
Infiniti EX
The above all come in at around 40k plus taxes, freight, options
However, I'm probably going to cheap out when it comes down to it and buy a:
Mistubishi RVR
Hyundai Tuscon
Ford Edge
Chevy Equinox
Don't get a CRV they drive like weighed down cars. I also can't stand the trim on the inside of these things. It's some weird wannabe futuristic/retro crap, that just makes it difficult to read.
Honestly, if I had to choose right now, I'd probably go with the Mistubishi RVR with a 4wd option. The biggest selling point being that it looks normal and still has some acceleration. It's not a sports car, but better than the CRV.
From the two lists I've provided, the main difference is going to be pep and luxury trimmings. If you're looking at the CRV, you probably aren't too concerned with that.
At the very least I'd suggest you drive the CRV and then drive the other vehicles in its class. I also wouldn't be as concerned with autorankings as in the past. Most major manufacturers are making much much improved products over the last 3-4 years. Because one ranker gave a Toyota a 3.9 and the Suzuki a 4.4, doesn't mean that one car is more reliable than the other. They're both going to be pretty solid and the ranking will be largely based on personal preference/reputation.
Electrical isn't a huge issue anymore at all. I drive an 8 year old Audi and I follow the forums quite regularly and most of the problems aren't electrical. I won't lie and say there aren't still problems, but many are from having so man ridiculous components, for example, when the radiator for my liquid cooled alternator sprung a leak... or when my self hardening motor mounts went. So there are problems for sure, but no longer the electrical gremlin nature from what I've seen paying attention to these cars.
Personally, I need to see at least 2 generations of cars before I can trust an improvement in quality, but I hope you're right. VW is still in the bottom third of all the reliability surveys out there (even if some of them are the fairly useless Initial Quality variety), so that the end of the day you're still taking your car in for service more than you'd like to.
The standard tanks put under the 150 where the spare goes, can take you about 150km, IŽm going to consider one big tank on the very back of the truck bed, would add another 100km.
