General Ongoing Coyotes saga thread

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

I agree. There's nothing they can do since the money is already in an escrow account that the NHL controls. I do think they're not going to give the NHL the extra $5 million owed, though.

Perhaps not willingly in any event...which raises another question, would the NHL sue the City and risk the PR nightmare?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by troutman

I don't know when True North internally shifted their focus to Atlanta, but prior to that, Phoenix was always the target.

Through this entire fiasco, there has always been a soft place in Canada for the Coyotes to land.

Where True North was looking isn't really the issue, where was the NHL going to place Atlanta if they allowed Phoenix to move to Winnipeg? You're looking at it as if there haven't been a myriad of issues at play.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

Perhaps not willingly in any event...which raises another question, would the NHL sue the City and risk the PR nightmare?

Would it really be a PR nightmare to sue for money that the city expressly agreed to pay? The only way it gets to that point is if the Coyotes aren't in Phoenix anymore, at which point I don't see much of a consequence to any negative PR.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by valo403

I'd love to see their case for removing money from escrow, the whole point of putting it there is so you can't refuse to hand it over when it's due.

My guess is that they say, Bettman promised there would be a buyer before they had to turn over the money.

As for Phoenix relocating, there has always been a soft landing spot for them in Winnipeg or Kansas City or in Hamilton. Bettman is just too stubborn too recognize the facts. He's a flawed human being.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by troutman

I don't know when True North internally shifted their focus to Atlanta, but prior to that, Phoenix was always the target.

Through this entire fiasco, there has always been a soft place in Canada for the Coyotes to land.

Atlanta was always the target.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

Perhaps not willingly in any event...which raises another question, would the NHL sue the City and risk the PR nightmare?

I say no, because they still need the city. I maintain Quebec City is not ready to run an NHL team this fall. And Seattle certainly isn't anywhere close.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Atlanta was always the target.

I appreciate that you have access to inside information. TNSE made a presentation to the NHL back in 2007 (a year before the bankruptcy). Bettman approached TNSE in 2009 about potentially taking the Coyotes, and Chipman made a second presentation.

http://advantagemagazine.ca/2011/tru...entertainment/

In fact, Chipman later said the company “came within 10 minutes of acquiring the Coyotes”

I don't know when Atlanta became a potential target.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

My guess is that they say, Bettman promised there would be a buyer before they had to turn over the money.

As for Phoenix relocating, there has always been a soft landing spot for them in Winnipeg or Kansas City or in Hamilton. Bettman is just too stubborn too recognize the facts. He's a flawed human being.

Good lord are you pathetic.

Winnipeg is the only location you listed that has ever had all of the needed factors. Kansas City seems to lack an interested owner, and Hamilton was presented by an owner who thought that the best way to enter the league was by suing his way in.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by valo403

Good lord are you pathetic.

Winnipeg is the only location you listed that has ever had all of the needed factors. Kansas City seems to lack an interested owner, and Hamilton was presented by an owner who thought that the best way to enter the league was by suing his way in.

Not as pathetic as Bettman and his sycophants. He still has his nose out of joint because of Balsillie or perhaps you have a better explanation for his digging his feet into the ground over the completely effed up situation in Phoenix.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Not as pathetic as Bettman and his sycophants. He still has his nose out of joint because of Balsillie or perhaps you have a better explanation for his digging his feet into the ground over the completely effed up situation in Phoenix.

No you really are about as pathetic as it gets, you are absolutely incapable of discussing anything tangentially related to Gary Bettman without resorting to some petty BS. It's like the guy banged your sister and never called her back.

I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea that feet have been dug into the ground in Phoenix, it's pretty clear that there has been no decision made about where that team is next season. Hamilton was never an option following Balisille's bungling of the situation, Winnipeg was taken off the table with the need to move the Thrashers and Kansas City doesn't seem to have ever presented itself as an actual option.

So where's the foot digging? Where should the NHL have moved Phoenix to and when?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by valo403

No you really are about as pathetic as it gets, you are absolutely incapable of discussing anything tangentially related to Gary Bettman without resorting to some petty BS. It's like the guy banged your sister and never called her back.

I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea that feet have been dug into the ground in Phoenix, it's pretty clear that there has been no decision made about where that team is next season. Hamilton was never an option following Balisille's bungling of the situation, Winnipeg was taken off the table with the need to move the Thrashers and Kansas City doesn't seem to have ever presented itself as an actual option.

So where's the foot digging? Where should the NHL have moved Phoenix to and when?

Perhaps try discussing the actual issues, or just go to your tired old tactic of blaming Bettman because you're not capable of making an intelligent argument.

To start with I didn't attack you, I attacked Bettman but you decided to change it into a personal attack on me, so who is the pathetic one? Phoenix should have gone to Hamilton during the bankruptcy in an out of court settlement. Going into more details is useless with you and a couple of others on this board because you don't listen and revert to the argument that I hate Bettman. I don't hate the man, he's just incompetent and his character flaws don't help him make good decisions. Does anybody here actually think that the Phoenix situation has been handled properly other than that it makes a good soap opera for our entertainment?

We'll see how he handles the new CBA this summer, he should have learned something after 20 years but I won't hold my breath.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

To start with I didn't attack you, I attacked Bettman but you decided to change it into a personal attack on me, so who is the pathetic one? Phoenix should have gone to Hamilton during the bankruptcy in an out of court settlement. Going into more details is useless with you and a couple of others on this board because you don't listen and revert to the argument that I hate Bettman. I don't hate the man, he's just incompetent and his character flaws don't help him make good decisions. Does anybody here actually think that the Phoenix situation has been handled properly other than that it makes a good soap opera for our entertainment?

We'll see how he handles the new CBA this summer, he should have learned something after 20 years but I won't hold my breath.

Please expand on this, I'd love to hear your argument, particularly how you would have satisfied all of the creditors and obtained BoG consent.

And I'm well aware you didn't attack me, you just don't seem to be aware how pathetic you look when you literally can't post on a subject without resorting to that garbage. You just did it again in this post.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by valo403

Please expand on this, I'd love to hear your argument, particularly how you would have satisfied all of the creditors and obtained BoG consent.

And I'm well aware you didn't attack me, you just don't seem to be aware how pathetic you look when you literally can't post on a subject without resorting to that garbage. You just did it again in this post.

I explained it to you in another thread. Balsillie had agreed to satisfy the creditors, he had already been approved as an owner by the BOG and he had even agreed to pay a transfer fee . Try again, but why go into detail when it's obvious you never listened the first time.

[Geeoff]

The NHL is really fighting tooth and nail for the Coyotes. Where was this tenacity when the Thrashers moved?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I explained it to you in another thread. Balsillie had agreed to satisfy the creditors, he had already been approved as an owner by the BOG and he had even agreed to pay a transfer fee . Try again, but why go into detail when it's obvious you never listened the first time.

False, he had agreed to terms with SOME creditors. You should also understand that the court was going to need to approve any agreement, and an agreement with SOME creditors isn't going to get you that approval.

Is it seriously your contention that everyone else, everyone, was on board with the move to Hamilton and then Bettman unilaterally blocked it?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by valo403

False, he had agreed to terms with SOME creditors. You should also understand that the court was going to need to approve any agreement, and an agreement with SOME creditors isn't going to get you that approval.

Is it seriously your contention that everyone else, everyone, was on board with the move to Hamilton and then Bettman unilaterally blocked it?

Oh god here we go again.

Balsillie’s $212.5 million (U.S.) offer also has the support of the creditors.
SOF Investments, a secured creditor owed about $80 million, basically said it was okay with all three bids: Balsillie’s offer of $212.5 million, Ice Edge’s offer of $150 million and the NHL’s bid of $140 million. All three bids either pay SOF its money up front, or work out an arrangement to pay back the money with interest.
The committee of unsecured creditors, which had always supported the bid by Balsillie’s company, PSE, says it doesn’t like a lot of contingencies in the Ice Edge bid, but on Wednesday said it was happy with both Balsillie’s offer and the NHL’s.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey...oenix-for-year

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Oh god here we go again.



http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey...oenix-for-year

And? You cited a single secured creditor and a committee of unsecured creditors. Are you trying to tell me that covers the entire universe of creditors?

And please, answer my question. Is that your contention?

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[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by valo403

And? You cited a single secured creditor and a committee of unsecured creditors. Are you trying to tell me that covers the entire universe of creditors?

And please, answer my question. Is that your contention?

They were satisfied with PSE (Balsillie) while the NHL wouldn't pay Moyes and Gretzky.

“While none of the three offers propose to satisfy creditor claims in full, the Committee believes that the PSE and NHL offers are sufficiently definitive, provide sufficient funding for the administrative expenses of the bankruptcy cases, and provide a likely and meaningful return to most creditors,” they wrote in a brief.

Perhaps you should come up with some proof otherwise, instead of just making claims.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

They were satisfied with PSE (Balsillie) while the NHL wouldn't pay Moyes and Gretzky.



Perhaps you should come up with some proof otherwise, instead of just making claims.

Proof of what? You still haven't confirmed what you are claiming.

Again: Is it seriously your contention that everyone else, everyone, was on board with the move to Hamilton and then Bettman unilaterally blocked it?