Ken King - Is his time coming to an end?

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I love how everyone blames the guy who has nothing to do with the on ice product

A philosophical change in direction of this club needs to start somewhere, why not here?

[Dr. Doom]

All those calling for King's head are stupid. Have no idea what you have...

Good luck finding a president that cares so much he'll respond to your emails on a weekend... because I had a healthy exchange with him this past. The guy bleeds Flames.

He's a fantastic people person. So he gives the GM a long leash, for god sakes guys he can't play for the players. People need to wake up and realize its most of our half-assed group of players that need to go and that's it. Simple as that...

And Feaster will make a splash this off-season.

[North East Goon]

I am curious to see what this "concrete plan" is that King was talking about. In a viewing of a car crash sense that is!

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

All those calling for King's head are stupid. Have no idea what you have...

Good luck finding a president that cares so much he'll respond to your emails on a weekend... because I had a healthy exchange with him this past. The guy bleeds Flames.

He's a fantastic people person. So he gives the GM a long leash, for god sakes guys he can't play for the players. People need to wake up and realize its most of our half-assed group of players that need to go and that's it. Simple as that...

And Feaster will make a splash this off-season.

I agree he's a very nice person.

I met him once about 4 years ago and he didn't break my hand!

[Kipperriffic]

Fire King? While we're at it, why not fire the owners too.
The problem is at the "coach-player interaction" level.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by getbak

As part of that, I wouldn't be surprised to see King get a new title, and assume a higher level position within the overall organization.

Yeah, I could see the Flames restructuring as Calgary Sports Entertainment Ltd. or some such name with Ken King retaining the title of President but appointing seperate Executive Vice-President's for each Brand that take care of whatever duties he has to shave off.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Kipperriffic

Fire King? While we're at it, why not fire the owners too.
The problem is at the "coach-player interaction" level.

And guess who ultimately is keeping the problem player on the team?

[CaptainCrunch]

I very much doubt that Ken King is in any kind of jeopardy of losing his job, especially with what looks like a major arena deal coming up in the future.

You might see a bigger seperation of business and on ice product with the GM (Feaster) having a much higher profile.

Ken King has done an outstanding job of cleaning up the debris from the Bremner disaster.

[Lt.Spears]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I get that after another failed season the fans want blood but I don't think firing King will have any bearing on the success of the team on the ice unless his hands are in the cookie jar as has been thrown out in unsubstantiated rumors. I've never been a fan of how he seems at times overly involved in hockey operations but the bottom line is that the Calgary Flames have never been better as a business and a lot of that coincides with King's hiring in 2001. Makes zero sense to get rid of him unless he's at odds with ownership which I highly doubt.

I would say a large majority of that is due to the 04 run and the fact that this city has crazy money and loves hockey. I think any sensible person could do Ken King's job but maybe that is just ignorance on my part.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

I think any sensible person could do Ken King's job but maybe that is just ignorance on my part.

Yeah I would say so. Ron Bremner was a sensible person.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

I would say a large majority of that is due to the 04 run and the fact that this city has crazy money and loves hockey. I think any sensible person could do Ken King's job but maybe that is just ignorance on my part.

Please tell me what you think his job involves besides the public face that you've seen.

I think that you're really talking out of your a$$ here. Its not like Ken King was the assistant manager of the Deerfoot Burger King before he got here.

This is a megamillion dollar organization with a mangement requirement of a fortune 100 company, where your not only balancing the on ice product with the off ice business requirements while wrangling millionaire employees and billion dollar owners, and running it in an international environment.

There's an old saying that needs to be repeated to a post like you'res with all due respect.

Just stop.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I love how everyone blames the guy who has nothing to do with the on ice product

Well I would hope not, but sounds very much like he has his hands in the cookie jar. If he does, time to take a step back KK. (FTR I don't think he should be fired)

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

All those calling for King's head are stupid. Have no idea what you have...

Good luck finding a president that cares so much he'll respond to your emails on a weekend... because I had a healthy exchange with him this past. The guy bleeds Flames.

He's a fantastic people person. So he gives the GM a long leash, for god sakes guys he can't play for the players. People need to wake up and realize its most of our half-assed group of players that need to go and that's it. Simple as that...

And Feaster will make a splash this off-season.

Same could be said for both Darryl Sutter and Brent Sutter. Doesn't mean he's doing a very good job. Again FTR I don't think he should be fired, but I really noticed this season he has his nose going on in the hockey ops... and while sometimes it helps (i.e. Glencross signing) I'm not entirely fond of it. Me being the fan of coarse, not his boss.

[The Goon]

I don't care about the on-ice product, but if it was Ken King's decision to get rid of Tim Hortons in the 'Dome, then turf him!

[Mackeneasy]

They say that *%^& flows downriver, but what needs to be realized is that accountability flows up stream.

The buck may at some point stop at Ken's door. Whether that is now or not is TBD.

I just really hope this organization that preaches intelectual honesty start practicing it.

[Lt.Spears]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Please tell me what you think his job involves besides the public face that you've seen.

I think that you're really talking out of your a$$ here. Its not like Ken King was the assistant manager of the Deerfoot Burger King before he got here.

This is a megamillion dollar organization with a mangement requirement of a fortune 100 company, where your not only balancing the on ice product with the off ice business requirements while wrangling millionaire employees and billion dollar owners, and running it in an international environment.

There's an old saying that needs to be repeated to a post like you'res with all due respect.

Just stop.

And that's fair, but its not like this team has been hard done by financially in the past 10 years.... Since he has gotten here its not like there has been any reason to question him, and i dont think its due to things he has done, i think it's due mostly to outside forces like our economy, strong dollar, and the desire for sports entertainment.

I just dont see him being anything special.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

And that's fair, but its not like this team has been hard done by financially in the past 10 years.... Since he has gotten here its not like there has been any reason to question him, and i dont think its due to things he has done, i think it's due mostly to outside forces like our economy, strong dollar, and the desire for sports entertainment.

I just dont see him being anything special.

Ummm, this team was in financial dire straits before he got here. the strong dollar helped, but the Flames business decisions including expansion of concessions updating merchandising doing a better job of reaching out to the community were all things that were done way better by King then by Bremner.

This team had one foot on a bar of soap and another on a banana peal before King arrived.

You could argue that this city had turned its back on the Flames, both team wise, sponsership wise and revenue stream wise.

You are completely undervaluing King's impact on this team, and its partially because you don't know what his actual role is.

[Lt.Spears]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Ummm, this team was in financial dire straits before he got here. the strong dollar helped, but the Flames business decisions including expansion of concessions updating merchandising doing a better job of reaching out to the community were all things that were done way better by King then by Bremner.

This team had one foot on a bar of soap and another on a banana peal before King arrived.

You could argue that this city had turned its back on the Flames, both team wise, sponsership wise and revenue stream wise.

You are completely undervaluing King's impact on this team, and its partially because you don't know what his actual role is.

Most of the things you are talking about are the result of our 04 run. Before then the city didnt even care about the Flames, its only after the cup run that people really started caring about the team. I bet 50% of the current fans are only here because of that run.

[Table 5]

Personally, the only way I don't support Ken King staying on is if the guy's meddling in the hockey side of the things. The man has about as much hockey experience as the rest of us fans...so as long as he leaves that part of the gig to the guys who know what they are doing, he's got my vote.

[Geeoff]

Ken King has done a great job since coming to The Flames...

They already fired the guy responsible for the Flames' current mess.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

Most of the things you are talking about are the result of our 04 run. Before then the city didnt even care about the Flames, its only after the cup run that people really started caring about the team. I bet 50% of the current fans are only here because of that run.

No not true, fan support and interest actually started recovering before the 2004 run.

Attendance had increased ever since he joined the Flames. While there were still problems due to revenues, we moved away from the year after year save our Flames thing.

I honestly think your oversimplifying Ken King's role in the Flames going from a terrible franchise with a disinterested fan base and a low sponsership base and trying to state that it was simply 2004's run that made it happen.

2004 bought back a lot of band wagon fans, but the fan base really went through a re-energization over the previous couple of years thanks to King.

Cause Bremner, pretty much a cluster flack.