This is an interesting topic that hinges on the definition of gender. To me a beauty pageant is all about appearance and Jeann looks more like a woman than most natural women. It is also safe to say that she has certain female genitalia since she's undergone surgery.
Jenna should still have the male XY chromosome pairing instead of XX which is a knock against her. But I think this is a very interesting situation for discussion.
Its complete BS she got kicked out. Obviously, at the age of four she did not choose to be a girl; just one of natures mess ups a girls mind in a male body.
Its complete BS she got kicked out. Obviously, at the age of four she did not choose to be a girl; just one of natures mess ups a girls mind in a male body.
God does not make mistakes, this thing is an abomination.
-Calgaryborn
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Its complete BS she got kicked out. Obviously, at the age of four she did not choose to be a girl; just one of natures mess ups a girls mind in a male body.
I don't really understand the concept of being a man in a women's body or a women in a man's body. I'm not trying to be rude or hateful but I honestly truly ignorant of the concept. What does it mean to "feel like a women" or "feel like a man". I try to think about myself and I am a man but as far as I know I don't feel like a man, I just am. For me at least gender is a thing and not an emotional state. Is there another way to explain it?
As for whether or not someone post reassignment surgery should be allowed to do everything that gender I think most of the time it is yes. For the vast, vast majority of things it doesn't matter. Use the bathroom you feel comfortable in, put whatever gender you want on any application forms, call yourself by whatever set of pronouns you choose to and others should call you by your chosen set of pronouns. But when it comes to competitions I start to think that unfair advantages could be gained. The olympics come to mind as an area where I think I would object to a transgendered person competing in a gender other than their genetic gender.
As far as this case goes it is a beauty pagent. By definition it is discriminatory. It is designed to judge a person on a purely arbitrary set of definitions. Too Black, Too pale skinned, too fat, flat chested, funny teeth, etc etc. It by definition excludes people who were born different.
I'll be honest, if I saw her at a club, I would have thought she was hot.
There is no way I would have suspected she used to be a he if I saw her on the street. They sure can do some pretty crazy things with surgery these days.
Not that I care either way because I could not possibly watch this crap, .....but if transgendered people are allowed to participate in these pageants who on earth would watch them? ...and therefore who would sponsor them into existence?.
As far as this case goes it is a beauty pagent. By definition it is discriminatory. It is designed to judge a person on a purely arbitrary set of definitions. Too Black, Too pale skinned, too fat, flat chested, funny teeth, etc etc. It by definition excludes people who were born different.
If she had been eliminated in competition, that would be different from being disqualified.
From a fairness/competition angle, being born male has to be a huge disadvantage in a beauty pagent.
I don't really understand the concept of being a man in a women's body or a women in a man's body. I'm not trying to be rude or hateful but I honestly truly ignorant of the concept. What does it mean to "feel like a women" or "feel like a man". I try to think about myself and I am a man but as far as I know I don't feel like a man, I just am. For me at least gender is a thing and not an emotional state. Is there another way to explain it?
As for whether or not someone post reassignment surgery should be allowed to do everything that gender I think most of the time it is yes. For the vast, vast majority of things it doesn't matter. Use the bathroom you feel comfortable in, put whatever gender you want on any application forms, call yourself by whatever set of pronouns you choose to and others should call you by your chosen set of pronouns. But when it comes to competitions I start to think that unfair advantages could be gained. The olympics come to mind as an area where I think I would object to a transgendered person competing in a gender other than their genetic gender.
As far as this case goes it is a beauty pagent. By definition it is discriminatory. It is designed to judge a person on a purely arbitrary set of definitions. Too Black, Too pale skinned, too fat, flat chested, funny teeth, etc etc. It by definition excludes people who were born different. So i am not sure this is where to hang your hat on wanting equal treatment. In fact by being excluded from a beauty pagent you are like most people. For some reason flawed in the eyes of judges.
I'm by no means an expert in this... but I think there are some big differences as to how the brain operates between men and women, triggered by different hormone levels (men have more testosterone, women estrogen). I think the different hormone levels affect the brain and how it thinks. If you're born a certain way, you would "think" like that gender or vice versa. Sometimes the brain is wired one way but the body comes out another (pretty sure about this, but I'm sure more knowledgeable people will clarify).
Anyway whether the rules state one thing or not I do think it's kind of bush league to disallow a transgendered person because they weren't born properly. The point is to judge beauty, and I'm guessing doesn't discriminate against fake breasts which, I would be shocked if not true, I have to assume are prevalent in a competition like this. What artificial parts are allowed / not allowed? It would be weird that fake breasts are allowed but transgender not (in my opinion).
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