And because it was clearly the Liberals behind it, he should call it now and finish off the Liberals in time for the next election. He coule even pose on the HMCS Bonaventure (probably a replica I guess) and have that "mission accomplished" banner!
If its everyone else then why would he possibly be dragging his feet?
This is what I do not understand, Steve has been such a great leader for Canada and he has done such a good job of getting rid of the Liberals. Now he has the opportunity to call a public inquiry and show that the Grits are truly responsible for every reprehensible thing in Canada and he is not going to do it? Very disappointing.
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If Harper called a public inquiry every time somebody asked for one we would have had hundreds of them by now. For the most part public inquiries are a waste of money. Look as Adscam, millions of dollars spent just to find out that the evil genius Guite was the criminal mastermind behind it all.
If Harper called a public inquiry every time somebody asked for one we would have had hundreds of them by now. For the most part public inquiries are a waste of money. Look as Adscam, millions of dollars spent just to find out that the evil genius Guite was the criminal mastermind behind it all.
I would agree on adscam, it was just Guite as the mastermind. This is a little bigger and more fundamental to a democracy. Advertising spent after a close referendum is not nearly as serious as undermining our democracy. Steve knows it is the Liberals, time for him to expose the Liberals.
If Harper called a public inquiry every time somebody asked for one we would have had hundreds of them by now. For the most part public inquiries are a waste of money. Look as Adscam, millions of dollars spent just to find out that the evil genius Guite was the criminal mastermind behind it all.
Well how else can we nail those rotten centrist thugs? I'm sure that they're behind it, but we just need to show everyone else. Look, we got the long anticipated omnibus crime bill through, so we'll even have space to lock 'em up! Its brilliant when you think about it. What could possibly go wrong?
Well how else can we nail those rotten centrist thugs? I'm sure that they're behind it, but we just need to show everyone else. Look, we got the long anticipated omnibus crime bill through, so we'll even have space to lock 'em up! Its brilliant when you think about it. What could possibly go wrong?
You have to think logically that Harper put through the crime bill because he knew that there would be increased demand for jail cells. Not just because of the unreported crimes that would now become reported, but also because of the awful electoral practices of the Liberals and NDP. Now he can throw them all in jail and have a clear playing field to completely save Canada. It is brilliant, and the foresight demonstrated by Steve is shocking actually.
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Ed does seem overly bitter doesn't he? Clearly Harper killed his dog, raped his sister, and pooped in his BBQ.
What about the election financing fraud of the Liberals? Was it Volpe that had all the dead people contributing to his campaign?
And there was at least one "complaint" from someone with NDP ties that she received a robocall that misdirected her to the wrong polling station, yet her Facebook account proved she was on vacation and not even in the province when she supposedly got this call. Of course after being called out on this little discrepancy, her Facebook page was magically updated... That's not suspicious at all (there are print screens showing the controversial Facebook entry).
But of course this is really just some grand scheme by Harper to steal the election, an election virtually all polls said he was going to win anyway, and under no circumstances should we even talk about illegal activities of the other parties.
Ed does seem overly bitter doesn't he? Clearly Harper killed his dog, raped his sister, and pooped in his BBQ.
It just the normal leftie bitterness from losing the election. Do yourself a favour and don't read the Globe & Mail comments section. A lot of bitter Ed's on that site.
Ed does seem overly bitter doesn't he? Clearly Harper killed his dog, raped his sister, and pooped in his BBQ.
What about the election financing fraud of the Liberals? Was it Volpe that had all the dead people contributing to his campaign?
And there was at least one "complaint" from someone with NDP ties that she received a robocall that misdirected her to the wrong polling station, yet her Facebook account proved she was on vacation and not even in the province when she supposedly got this call. Of course after being called out on this little discrepancy, her Facebook page was magically updated... That's not suspicious at all (there are print screens showing the controversial Facebook entry).
But of course this is really just some grand scheme by Harper to steal the election, an election virtually all polls said he was going to win anyway, and under no circumstances should we even talk about illegal activities of the other parties.
You're absolutely right about these allegations. All the more reason there ought to be a full inquiry.
Those dastardly Liberals and NDPers! Somehow they managed to steal all of the CPC data, and only seemed to make calls to their own supporters to redirect them for voting day. It's such an obvious ploy to try to make the CPC look bad.
Ed does seem overly bitter doesn't he? Clearly Harper killed his dog, raped his sister, and pooped in his BBQ.
What about the election financing fraud of the Liberals? Was it Volpe that had all the dead people contributing to his campaign?
And there was at least one "complaint" from someone with NDP ties that she received a robocall that misdirected her to the wrong polling station, yet her Facebook account proved she was on vacation and not even in the province when she supposedly got this call. Of course after being called out on this little discrepancy, her Facebook page was magically updated... That's not suspicious at all (there are print screens showing the controversial Facebook entry).
But of course this is really just some grand scheme by Harper to steal the election, an election virtually all polls said he was going to win anyway, and under no circumstances should we even talk about illegal activities of the other parties.
Old Fart, that is the reason I want a public inquiry, to clear Steve's name. You have just brought up a number of allegations that must be flushed out so the public can have faith in their democratic institutions. Steve and Del Mastro have said consistently that it was the Liberals who misdirected liberals to the wrong polling stations, I just want to see them vindicated. Not sure where you get bitterness from my posts, I just want to see Harper's glory restored through a public inquiry.
Please post one quote where the Conservatives have said it was the Liberals who misdirected other Liberals to the wrong polling station. If both Harper and DDM have both been saying this consistently, it should be easy to provide one quote from each of them.
Please post one quote where the Conservatives have said it was the Liberals who misdirected other Liberals to the wrong polling station. If both Harper and DDM have both been saying this consistently, it should be easy to provide one quote from each of them.
"Peterborough, Ont., Conservative MP Dean Del Mastro, who serves as parliamentary secretary to the Prime Minister, on Monday repeatedly accused the Liberals of using deceptive robocalls in Guelph, Ont., two days before the May 2, 2011 vote."
"He cited evidence that he said showed that former Liberal MP Joe Volpe used a U.S. automated calling company in the last campaign. "
We learned that Joe Volpe paid over $25,000 to Prime Contact, a calling company with offices in North Dakota," he said."
(of course we all know that wasn't researched at all and it was the wrong Prime Contact)
And just to spice it up, blame on Elections Canada itself.
"I suspect that at the end of the day, if Elections Canada has the resources to do a proper investigation, they'll find they're themselves significantly responsible," Saskatchewan MP Maurice Vellacott said in a statement.
The Leader of the Liberal Party knows full well, every household that they called, every originating phone number they called them from, and, in fact, when those calls were made,” he said in question period. “When will he make those phone records public? Because I believe when those phone records are made public, the Liberal Party will have fingered itself for each and every one of these calls that they allege had taken place.”
Here ya go Old Fart, from a little publication called Hansard
Prime Minister Stephen Harper "Mr. Speaker, yesterday and other days the Liberal Party said that it had received these misleading phone calls from numbers in the United States. We have done some checking. We have only found that it was the Liberal Party that did source its phone calls from the United States. I wonder if the reason the hon. leader of the Liberal Party will not in fact show us his evidence is it will point out that it was the Liberal Party that made these calls."
Prime Minister Stephen Harper "Back to what I just said, yesterday the leader of the Liberal Party said that these erroneous calls claimed to be from the Liberal Party. In fact, the evidence points to the fact that they actually did come from the Liberal Party. When is the leader of the Liberal Party going to show the phone list and demonstrate where in fact these calls came from and the fact that they came from the Liberal Party itself?"
Right Hon. Stephen Harper (Prime Minister, CPC):
Mr. Speaker, for the past few days, I have been trying to get this information from the Liberal Party. The Liberal Party said these calls came from the United States, but only the Liberal Party made such calls from the United States. It is up to the Liberal Party to prove that it did not make these calls to voters.
We know the Liberal Party has claimed that a number of calls were made into its ridings, often late at night. These calls sometimes offended people. The callers indicated that they were calling on behalf of the Liberal Party. They were asking for things like lawn signs. It turned out that they were in fact calling on behalf of the Liberal Party, at least that is what it appears.
Mr. Dean Del Mastro (Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister and to the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, CPC):
Mr. Speaker, the Liberal Party has known all along which companies it contracted to do voter contact during the election but it has allowed this to go on. It has not just allowed it to go on but it has made baseless smears against our party for more than a week, despite the fact that it knew the companies that it had hired, U.S.-based companies, were calling on behalf of the Liberal Party, just like it probably knew who was making the smears against the Minister of Public Safety long before you determined it, Mr. Speaker.
I would say to the leader of the Liberal Party, no more dirty tricks.
Mr. Dean Del Mastro (Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister and to the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, CPC):
No, not at all, Mr. Speaker. In fact, it appears the Liberal Party spent a significant amount of money in the Kitchener area on these U.S.-based companies to make robocalls on its behalf. For example, Karen Redman alone spent some $22,600 on First Contact. I would assume these companies were making calls on behalf of Karen Redman and the Liberal Party. The Liberal Party has known it for some time, but, instead, carried on its unsubstantiated smear campaign on this party and its candidates. It is reprehensible.
Great. With you guys posting things like this the thread will probably fade away now. The CPC partisans either have to hang their thoughts on Dean del Mastro being right (lol) or admit that an actual investigation is the last thing that Harper wants here.
There is an actual investigation going on, perhaps you have heard of an organization called Elections Canada?
Not sure why they have Del Mastro blaming the Liberals, seems like kind of a silly strategy but we'll see how it all pans out.
I got busy with actual work this week, so I missed an outcome. Earlier this week the house voted to give more power to Elections Canada (I think that was an NDP bill) and the first reading passed. I don't know what happened from there though. There seemed to be a thought that it wouldn't be law. Does anyone know?
Can a few of you guys lay off the heavy sarcasm and snark, and just post like adults? It's hurting my brain, reading this thread in the style of pre-teens going through their unbearable sarcastic phase.
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I got busy with actual work this week, so I missed an outcome. Earlier this week the house voted to give more power to Elections Canada (I think that was an NDP bill) and the first reading passed. I don't know what happened from there though. There seemed to be a thought that it wouldn't be law. Does anyone know?
A motion was passed on the NDP opposition day, it has absolutely no teeth and no effect under law. It will only have any effect if the Tories propose legislation.
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