16yr old girl forced to marry her rapist, commits suicide (Morocco)

[Devils'Advocate]

Many Christians still follow the OT, on this basis:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread467004/pg1

I can tell you right now, when I was in church growing up, MOST of the readings came from the OT. MOST (not all) of the church's who oppose gay marriage do so based on the OT.

[CaptainCrunch]

When I went to church when I was younger, I don't recall a lot of sermons that came from the OT, there were the various letters, but they didn't drill into the OT, they dealt a lot with the NT.

But I think it depends on the church that your attending. But because I went to a small town church service in the bible belt in Alberta, I would have assumed that we would have gotten both barrells from the Fire and Brimstone brigade.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

There in lies the rub, you don't think modern day Christians and Jews would follow those passages, but I'm sure some do. There are fundamentalists in every faith that take the Bible/Quran/Torah literally. Seems pretty clear to me from the Sura and Hadiths that CaptainCrunch quoted that this sort of behaviour isn't enshrined in the religion.

I personally wouldn't refer to people that follow these laws as fundamentalists, I would refer to them as clueless and unable to contextualize the Bible. Understanding the NT as it relates to the OT is the entire point of Christianity. I agree though- some people, millions in fact, cannot understand the relationship between the law of Moses and the atonement of Christ, and therefore follow every passage in the OT to the exact.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

There in lies the rub, you don't think modern day Christians and Jews would follow those passages, but I'm sure some do. There are fundamentalists in every faith that take the Bible/Quran/Torah literally. Seems pretty clear to me from the Sura and Hadiths that CaptainCrunch quoted that this sort of behaviour isn't enshrined in the religion.

I am sure there are some Christians and Jews that might want to follow these ancient outdated passages. The difference would be that they don't have the legal system behind them forcing a rape victim to marry her rapist.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

There are Islamic countries where this type of thing does not happen, and 'secular' countries where it does.

Really? Which 'secular' countries use the legal system to force a rape victim to marry her rapist?

And are they doing it in the name of secularism?

[blankall]

Edit: Bad taste. NM.

[FlamesAddiction]

Males treating females like property isn't something specific to any religion. Even in countries that restrict religion and promote non-religion have laws or customs that are questionable when it comes to gender issues.

[Flames89]

Man, rat poison. That has to be a bad way to go.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

When I went to church when I was younger, I don't recall a lot of sermons that came from the OT, there were the various letters, but they didn't drill into the OT, they dealt a lot with the NT.

But I think it depends on the church that your attending. But because I went to a small town church service in the bible belt in Alberta, I would have assumed that we would have gotten both barrells from the Fire and Brimstone brigade.

In the Catholic faith (the largest individual branch of Christianity), a standard mass consists of two readings from the OT and one from the NT.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Flames89

Man, rat poison. That has to be a bad way to go.

Evidently still better than living with the guy who raped you, talk about 24/7 awkwardness.

[Ozy_Flame]

I want to hear Mikey the Redneck's opinion on this matter.

[Hack&Lube]

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT


Modern day Christianity would be abhorred by such a practice and yet many Christians still pick and choose passages and laws from the OT at whim to whatever suits them and then use apologetics to explain away why their modern day cultural biases allow them to pick and choose what religious tenets they follow or not (homosexuals should be put to death as per Leviticus, etc.).

[Lt.Spears]

Originally Posted by Flames89

Man, rat poison. That has to be a bad way to go.

Im surprised she didnt try to kill him first.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

In the Catholic faith (the largest individual branch of Christianity), a standard mass consists of two readings from the OT and one from the NT.

Interesting, but I haven't been to church in 20 years except for occassional Christmas masses with family, but I didn't realize that.

I don't recall the two from the OT I remember there were copious discussions of New Testiment readings, I remember that the service was very anglicized (is that a word, you get my drift) compared to the services speckled with Latin when I was growing up.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT

What I find most interesting about that passage is the way it's phrased as a punishment for the man. "If you rape a woman, your penalty is 50 bits and being forced to marry her against your will. And you can't divorce her ever. Oh, and since women are considered property, you must pay the fine to her legal owner, her father."

It's not outright stated, but the message is also inferred that this punishment is considered beneficial to the victim. "Now that you've been violated, no respectable man will take you as a wife, so we'll hook you up with your attacker. Don't worry, he'll take care of you."

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

Im surprised she didnt try to kill him first.

Taking her life is considered a sin in most faiths, I believe it is one of the big sins in Islam

But she probably also viewed the whole situation as her fault (just guessing here) and she probably figured that she was already on the path to hell, adding murder to it probably didn't cross her mind.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

What I find most interesting about that passage is the way it's phrased as a punishment for the man. "If you rape a woman, your penalty is 50 bits and being forced to marry her against your will. And you can't divorce her ever. Oh, and since women are considered property, you must pay the fine to her legal owner, her father."

It's not outright stated, but the message is also inferred that this punishment is considered beneficial to the victim. "Now that you've been violated, no respectable man will take you as a wife, so we'll hook you up with your attacker. Don't worry, he'll take care of you."

The idea of marrying for "love" is not as common historically as people think. It used to be, and is still common in many cultures, that you marry for status, wealth and procreation. If a man rapes a woman, especially one of lower standing (which would most likely be the case) and then has to look after her (as woman cannot earn a living in most of those same areas), it could come at the opportunity cost of marrying someone else.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

So if I rape Kate Upton....

Wanna go halfers on a rape charge?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Wanna go halfers on a rape charge?

aaaaaaand Scene.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The idea of marrying for "love" is not as common historically as people think. It used to be, and is still common in many cultures, that you marry for status, wealth and procreation. If a man rapes a woman, especially one of lower standing (which would most likely be the case) and then has to look after her (as woman cannot earn a living in most of those same areas), it could come at the opportunity cost of marrying someone else.

I know a couple who are in an arranged marriage. This was planned for many years without the kids even knowing about it. They are both from India but lived in Calgary for many years before the families made them marry.

They have been together for 16 years or so? She is now about 35.