Sven "Fricken" Bartschi!

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Where ru Chris O'Sullivan

If he has a strong game again tonight - with the remaining key injuries (cammy and brodie), waive Kolanos and sign Sven, keep him up. Who cares if were burning a year of his elgibility, Mikka nor Iggy are getting younger, this may be our best chance with everyone here.

I'm sure Feaster and Sutter would love to keep Sven up here, but waving Kolanos and signing Sven has nothing to do with it. We legally cannot keep him up under the CBA once 2 healthy players return from injury.

Since he was assigned to the WHL to start the year he can only be recalled in emergency situations. Comeau has already returned, so unless Jackman, Backlund, Stempniak, Butler, Cammy and Brodie are all out for the remainder of the season Sven cannot stay up under the rules of the CBA.

[FBI]

Thanks a lot you guys, every time I see the word sensational now I think "Svensational"..

[Reggo]

I'm just grateful to watch him play any games I can, next year we'll see him all season so lets not get ahead of ourselves.
Gonna be a force on the Flames for years to come!

[Street Pharmacist]

Is there any way post deadline to rid ourselves of a contract and use Sven after Portland's run?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by the_professsor

Our best chance of what? Making the playoffs and getting crushed in the 1st round?

I understand a few wins can create optimism, but we're still in 10th place right now. Lets not get carried away, send Sven down and let him run show in the WHL playoffs.

OFFS, how do you know they're going to get crushed in the first round? You must have been calling for the team to get blown up in 04 too, I mean they were a bubble team going against a power house.

Come on Kreskin, tell us the future, I got some money to play with on the investment side.

Saying that they shouldn't be trying to win because they'll get crushed int he first round or they should give up on a playoff spot because they're not top 4 in the conference basically is just utterly dumb.

Its posts like this that go out of the way of any fan trying to enjoy their team.

Ewww if they're not top of the league blow it up.

Seriously?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Is there any way post deadline to rid ourselves of a contract and use Sven after Portland's run?

Yeah, waive somebody that every one in the league wants.

[Gary83]

Originally Posted by moon

Well thankfully the opportunity will not likely be there and no way is it worth it for him to get a few more games in the NHL to burn a year of his ELC and have him miss out on a long run and possible Memorial Cup victory.

Oh no, dear god. We might burn a year off his elc!

Portland won't even be close to a memorial cup victory.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by Gary83

Oh no, dear god. We might burn a year off his elc!

Not sure why you are being sarcastic, burning a year off his ELC would be a horrible move for 1/8th of the season. Think 3 years down the road, Sven could potentially be a PPG player being paid like a rookie. One of the biggest advantages Chicago had when they won the cup two years ago was the fact that Toews and Kane were on ELCs, allowing them to stock up the rest of their roster with higher paid players than they would have if they were paying them their current contract values.

[the_professsor]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

OFFS, how do you know they're going to get crushed in the first round? You must have been calling for the team to get blown up in 04 too, I mean they were a bubble team going against a power house.

Come on Kreskin, tell us the future, I got some money to play with on the investment side.

Saying that they shouldn't be trying to win because they'll get crushed int he first round or they should give up on a playoff spot because they're not top 4 in the conference basically is just utterly dumb.

Its posts like this that go out of the way of any fan trying to enjoy their team.

Ewww if they're not top of the league blow it up.

Seriously?

I bolded the lines where you over reacted, or put words in my mouth.

As for your first question, and really the only reasonable part of your post, I don't know that for sure, and I would love for the Flames to prove me wrong.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Gary83

Oh no, dear god. We might burn a year off his elc!

Portland won't even be close to a memorial cup victory.

Portland is the 2nd highest ranked team in the WHL (while missing their top player for many games) any reason that they won't be close to a Memorial Cup victory?

[moon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

OFFS, how do you know they're going to get crushed in the first round? You must have been calling for the team to get blown up in 04 too, I mean they were a bubble team going against a power house.

Come on Kreskin, tell us the future, I got some money to play with on the investment side.

That 04 team was much different than this one in terms of make up and place in the standings/play.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by moon

That 04 team was much different than this one in terms of make up and place in the standings/play.

Yes, I'm sure you optimistically predicted a long playoff run, I'm just too lazy to search and dig up those posts.

[WAFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by moon

Portland is the 2nd highest ranked team in the WHL (while missing their top player for many games) any reason that they won't be close to a Memorial Cup victory?

While Portland has great scoring they struggle in the Goaltender department. No one to stop the flood gates. They actually won't even win there division.

[Gary83]

Originally Posted by moon

Portland is the 2nd highest ranked team in the WHL (while missing their top player for many games) any reason that they won't be close to a Memorial Cup victory?

Touched on already. Would be very impressed if Portland could even make it to the memorial cup. Saint John's should repeat fairly easy anyways.

Portland is the Tampa Bay of the WHL. They're also 3rd, not 2nd.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Gary83

Sven is showing he belongs in the NHL. The only way he is going to get better is to play against tougher competition, not by owning everyone in the WHL. If the opportunity is there for him to be playing in the NHL this year and in the playoffs then it needs to happen.

If the opportunity is there and Baertschi does not play another game in the NHL regular season or the playoffs, this will have virtually no impact on his development, nor his potential to be a really good NHL player down the road. It just does not make any sense to burn a year off of an extremely valuable ELC for a player to participate in a handful of games. Baertschi is not going to tip the balance for today's Flames to suddenly become Stanley Cup contenders. He may be able to do that in three years, and if he is still making the rookie maximum at that time, just imagine how many added options this provides for the Flames.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by moon

Portland is the 2nd highest ranked team in the WHL (while missing their top player for many games) any reason that they won't be close to a Memorial Cup victory?

The real key for Portland is Baertchi IMO. They were 1st overall in the WHL when Baertchi got call up and have lost a few close game without him. I know they have a significantly better record with him in the line-up than without him in the line-up earlier in the season too.

Also, to whoever said they are 3rd in the WHL, they are actually second with 100 points. The other division leader is 3rd with 97 points. So long as Portland can get by the Americans, they probably have a decent shot at the Memorial cup.

Edit. My bad. I didn't check the eastern conference. I meant 2nd in the WHL western conference. They are indeed 3rd overall in the WHL, but they also play in the toughest division in the WHL IMO.

[Wronskian]

Jeez I love Sven, can't wait to have him around full time next year.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by WAFlamesFan

While Portland has great scoring they struggle in the Goaltender department. No one to stop the flood gates. They actually won't even win there division.

Wow. Portland has an absolutely terrible record against Tri-City.

[moon]

Originally Posted by WAFlamesFan

While Portland has great scoring they struggle in the Goaltender department. No one to stop the flood gates. They actually won't even win there division.

Originally Posted by Gary83

Touched on already. Would be very impressed if Portland could even make it to the memorial cup. Saint John's should repeat fairly easy anyways.

Portland is the Tampa Bay of the WHL. They're also 3rd, not 2nd.

They are 2 points back of TC with Bartschi having missed more than 25% of their games. TC has been healthy all year with all their big guns and they still can't pull away from Portland. If he is back there they are likely the favorites over very other team. Sure their GA isn't great but it isn't nearly as bad as suggested.

I don;t think that they will cake walk to the Memorial Cup but they are at worst a top 5 favorite and likely top 2 with Saint John if Portland has all its guys.

Either way keeping him up here for the final 10 games of the season seems pretty silly when looking at the benefit he has from going back both as a player and person.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by moon

They are 2 points back of TC with Bartschi having missed more than 25% of their games. TC has been healthy all year with all their big guns and they still can't pull away from Portland. If he is back there they are likely the favorites over very other team. Sure their GA isn't great but it isn't nearly as bad as suggested.

I don;t think that they will cake walk to the Memorial Cup but they are at worst a top 5 favorite and likely top 2 with Saint John if Portland has all its guys.

Either way keeping him up here for the final 10 games of the season seems pretty silly when looking at the benefit he has from going back both as a player and person.

I pretty much agree. We already know TriCity and Portland won't be playing each other until the Conference Finals if they do play each other and by that time regular season record's don't mean much. I'd probably take Tri City in a 1st round series, but by the time the conference finals role around, additional factors like fatigue set in and make a big difference.