Do you know anyone who's died from second hand smoke?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Are you an expert? I don't know how anyone without actually studying the matter can say it's overblown.

He means its overblown in that you won't die if you walk through the front doors of a building and you are exposed to second hand smoke for a few seconds while entering the building. Considering the fact that carbon monoxide can probably kill you in an hour or so, I would say car exhaust is definitely more hazardous.

While yes I agree that second hand smoke is not good if being constantly exposed to, I'll have to say mose people who complain about it aren't constantly exposed to it. They're just complaining about the smell of it while they enter or leave a building. In the long run, that little exposure is not going to do anything to them.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Do you run your car in a closed room you simultaneously occupy? And why are you only focusing on lung cancer outcomes? Smoking is causative in a ton of other health ailments like COPD, heart attacks, strokes, aneurysms, high blood pressure, other cancers (bladder cancer is actually more common than lung), anemia, cavities...etc.

I didn't deny that second hand smoke is harmful, if it ocurs in a closed space and on a regular basis.

However, catching the occasional wiff of second hand smoke outdoors is going to have a negligble, if any, effect on your health.

It's a nuisance, and I don't know why people can't just leave it at that.

[FlamesAddiction]

My grandfather and grandmother on my mother's side died of lung cancer and emphazema respectively. Neither one of them smoked.

It's hard to say if it was second hand smoke that caused it. The family theorizes that the illnesses were caused when the town they lived in was under seige during WW2 and they breathed potentially toxic smoke as a result. I think some of the smokers in the family just don't want to admit that 2nd hand smoke may have played a role.

[Zevo]

It's not just cancer. It can cause severe asthma attacks (like my wife gets) just by walking past smokers. If she doesn't have her inhaler on her when she gets a cloud of cigerette smoke in her face, she has a pretty rough time. No need for her, or others to have to go through that.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Zevo

It's not just cancer. It can cause severe asthma attacks (like my wife gets) just by walking past smokers. If she doesn't have her inhaler on her when she gets a cloud of cigerette smoke in her face, she has a pretty rough time. No need for her, or others to have to go through that.

Then what about when she walks by an exhaust pipe? You can't see the smoke and you are more acustomed to the smell, but there's much more smoke coming out of there.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by blankall

Then what about when she walks by an exhaust pipe? You can't see the smoke and you are more acustomed to the smell, but there's much more smoke coming out of there.

If she was to kneel down and get a face full of blue smoke from a a car burning oil she would probably have about the same reaction as to a couple people smoking by the doors of a building.

[Dion]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/11...de-deaths-who/

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

i meant that generally speaking smoking is legal......as an aside, it also amuses me when governemnt sue tobacco companies for health care costs - the gov't knows that smoking is bad and thye allow it......

the list of stuff in darts also makes me laugh. i have always wondered about the taste test process, no #25 need more amonium nitrate #2, #26 has too much benzie propanol #13.......

nm, misread that

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by blankall

I didn't deny that second hand smoke is harmful, if it ocurs in a closed space and on a regular basis.

However, catching the occasional wiff of second hand smoke outdoors is going to have a negligble, if any, effect on your health.

It's a nuisance, and I don't know why people can't just leave it at that.

Someone with an educated perspective on cancer risk factors might not be so cavalier to second hand smoke exposure. The development of cancer is the result of a chain of events, with each event having a probability of occurrence. Exposing yourself to risk factors increases your odds, very much like buying more tickets in a lottery. You are correct in that buying 5 extra tickets for the lottery doesn't guarantee a win, but it unquestionably increases your odds. You can argue the magnitude of risk (ie. hazard ratio) all you want, but if you only have one life to live, why would you unnecessarily increase the odds against you with zero benefit?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by blankall

The vast majority of those chemicals are natural by-products of incompletely burning hydrocarbons. They will be found in burn. The heavy metals are from pesticides and will be found in only very trace amounts. The amount you would expect to breath in from difused second hand smoke is pretty neglible.

Really?

Secondhand smoke contains over 4000 chemicals including more than 40 cancer causing agents and 200 known poisons.

Secondhand smoke has been classified by the EPA as a Class A carcinogen - a substance known to cause cancer in humans.

Secondhand smoke contains twice as much tar and nicotine per unit volume as does smoke inhaled from a cigarette. It contains 3X as much cancer-causing benzpyrene, 5X as much carbon monoxide, and 50X as much ammonia. Secondhand smoke from pipes and cigars is equally as harmful, if not more so (Mayo Clinic release, Aug 97).

Over the past two decades, medical research has shown that non-smokers suffer many of the diseases of active smoking when they breathe secondhand smoke.

Secondhand smoke causes lung cancer and contributes to the development of heart disease. Never smoking women who live with a smoker have a 91% greater risk of heart disease. They also have twice the risk of dying from lung cancer.

Never-smoking spouses who are exposed to secondhand smoke have about 20% higher death rates for both lung cancer and heart disease.

Secondhand smoke increases heart rate and shortens time to exhaustion. Repeated exposure causes thickening of the walls of the carotid arteries (accelerates atherosclerosis) and damages the lining of these arteries.
When a pregnant woman is exposed to

http://www1.umn.edu/perio/tobacco/secondhandsmoke.html

[schteve_d]

My friend's sister died when she was 29 of lung cancer having never smoked a day in her life. She did however work as a waitress in a bar from the time she was 18 until she became sick and was diagnosed with cancer. She died about ten years ago so of course smoking laws were different then.

Can it be proven that that is what killed her? Of course not but the entire family will bet large dollars on it.

[MelBridgeman]

Dana Reeve?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Dion

Really?





http://www1.umn.edu/perio/tobacco/secondhandsmoke.html

This discussion is about being seldomly exposed to second hand smoke outdoors. Entirely different than living with a person who reguarly smokes in an enclosed space.

As for the chemicals and carninogens in smoking. They are almost entirely the natural result of burning hydrocarbons and will be found in all forms of combustion. The remainder are found in extremely small quantities and are the result of the agricultural process (IE there's nothing in there that isn't in just about every piece of fruit or vegetable you eat).

[You Need a Thneed]

A question I would ask is, "Is asbestos any worse than second hand smoke?"

Asbestos has been banned nearly worldwide. Smoking is legal.

Asbestos has the same type of risks as smoking. Long term damage to the lungs, etc. Walking through a room with airborne asbestos isn't going to kill you or have any lasting effect either. When you do it repeatedly, however...

[MoneyGuy]

I expect to see the OP reference this in the thread, My most embarrassing moment on CP.

This is just common sense. It's bad for you to breathe in carcinogens and it can kill you. Think about it.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I doubt it was ever "the one" factor that resulted in death in the same way a bullet to the brain would kill you.

Far too many people are under the impression that every effect has one and only one cause. Cancer isn't like getting run over by a car, it's more like trying to figure out which grain of sand killed someone smothered under a dune.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

A question I would ask is, "Is asbestos any worse than second hand smoke?"

Asbestos has been banned nearly worldwide. Smoking is legal.

The difference between asbestos and tobacco is that Canada isn't a leading exporter of tobacco.

[allicat]

To me the issue of banning smoking within 10m of a doorway has less to do with people walking through it (although this is obviously a concern and a secondary benefit) and more to do with the air being drawn back into the building with constantly opening and closing doors. I'd hate to be a receptionist/front office worker constantly having to breathe in smoky air sucked in from outside. It's less of an issue of passing through smoke fleetingly (although still annoyingly) and more of an issue of having it float its way inside to a more concentrated space.

But either way second hand smoke sucks and can't possibly be GOOD for you. Mitigating its effects makes sense to me.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by blankall

This discussion is about being seldomly exposed to second hand smoke outdoors. Entirely different than living with a person who reguarly smokes in an enclosed space.

As for the chemicals and carninogens in smoking. They are almost entirely the natural result of burning hydrocarbons and will be found in all forms of combustion. The remainder are found in extremely small quantities and are the result of the agricultural process (IE there's nothing in there that isn't in just about every piece of fruit or vegetable you eat).

Noticed you still haven't responded to the list of ingredients added to cigarettes. Odd that you run and hide seeing as you're such an expert in this field. How about you counter that point with some evidence. Either that or continue to make it quite clear that you're talking out of your ass.

[BlackRedGold25]

I don't understand why there are so many ######ed smokers who think that smoking is a right. It's not. It's an idiotic and filthy habit.

Urinating is a right. Do you know anyone who has died from urine? But you sill aren't allowed to urinate within 10 meters of a building. Or anywhere else in public for that matter.