Cartoons upset Danish Muslims

[HOZ]

I thought current reward was 72 virgins in heaven while being attended to by your victims....or has that been upped?

[Red]

Originally Posted by HOZ

I thought current reward was 72 virgins in heaven while being attended to by your victims....or has that been upped?

Actually (as per Robin Williams) that's a misinterpretation. It's raisins not virgins

[Cowperson]

Ten thousand protest in Trafalgar Square over a lack of respect from Europe.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/eu....ap/index.html

And a Yemeni editor is imprisoned and may face execution over publishing the images . . . . he comments:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11414568/site/newsweek/

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Red

Actually (as per Robin Williams) that's a misinterpretation. It's raisins not virgins

Actually I think thats another misinterpretation, if you kill civilians, or blow up a bus, on your arrival in paradise, you get one 72 year old virgin, and she's managed to keep her viginity for good reason.

she's fat and has the personality of a bear.

[CaptainCrunch]

You really have to wonder if Islam is ever going to see thier own version of Martin Luther. But with all of the extremists running around in that religion, its unlikely that anyone in that religion is brave enough to demand that the faith reform.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You really have to wonder if Islam is ever going to see thier own version of Martin Luther. But with all of the extremists running around in that religion, its unlikely that anyone in that religion is brave enough to demand that the faith reform.

How about our region? Not many brave souls in this part of the world. Far too many make excuses for them!

Read these quotes from Michelle Malkin's blog
http://michellemalkin.com/

[KootenayFlamesFan]

15 people die in Nigeria, churches burned.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20060...ophet_drawings

"Most of the dead were Christians beaten to death on the streets by the rioters," Ezeoke said


Bloody sad.

[Cheese]

Now the cartoon(ish) protestors threaten to join al Qaeda to broaden their campaign.
Wow...well if this isnt a real life Disney adventure! Lets see...Goofy plays the lead role in al Qaeda vs the Danish cartoonist union!

Idiots....

Hundreds of Afghans shouted support on Monday for Osama bin Laden and threatened to join al Qaeda during a protest against cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad, while Pakistan Islamists vowed to broaden their campaign.

Yo yos

[Hack&Lube]

There are other factors to consider. Like that NY Times article described, a lot of politicians and religious leaders are jumping on the bandwagon (how appropriate) just to show how "Islamic" they are and therefore "just" and popular amongst their desperate people.

[Cheese]

well...now the Christians are attacking the Muslims....

Anti Muslim riot

Christian mobs rampaged through a southern Nigerian city Tuesday, burning mosques and killing several people in an outbreak of anti-Muslim violence that followed deadly protests against caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad over the weekend.

[Cowperson]

Terence Corcoran in the National Post:

He pulls in Google and Microsoft's self-censoring at the behest of China and then mocks the self-censorship of western media in light of the Mohammed controversy.

Agree or disagree?

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/n...b-42753c8cb8df

Cowperson

[azzarish]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Since they usually kill with suicide bombings, who would get the reward?

They should give the money and car in advance so the person can buy a bomb and drive it into the cartoonists.

Who is they exactly? Is that everyone, or just the ones that are always highlighted in newspapers and TV.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by azzarish

Who is they exactly? Is that everyone, or just the ones that are always highlighted in newspapers and TV.

I would agree there is a distinction . . . . .

The demonstrations have grown from descriptions of "dozens" and "hundreds" to "thousands" and "tens of thousands" . . . . . yet that's actually far short of hundreds of thousands you might expect from true outrage, particularly in countries where audience participation can be controlled somewhat, like Iran.

If Islam is 1.3 billion strong, the outrage is still somewhat muted considering the numbers available and considering cleric and governments are encouraging participation.

One of the more interesting indicators of outrage I saw today was a story saying "Mecca Cola," a Arab Muslim supplier, has seen sales triple in recent weeks and the company can't keep up with demand, presumeably at some cost to Coca-Cola.

Cowperson

[Cowperson]

Police will not lay charges against two Calgary newspapers which published the caricatures . . . . . . Calgary Muslims will continue to pursue a human rights complaint.

Gordon Wong, Calgary's chief Crown prosecutor, said the Criminal Code requires there be an intent to incite hatred against a specific group, which wasn't there in this case.

"The intent was to debate the issue within the articles. That's different than inciting hatred," Wong said Tuesday.

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/...0d7433&k=82386

Cowperson

[Cowperson]

For those interested, a Muslim columnist writing at Al-Jazeera explains why the cartoon controversy - and the writings of Salman Rushdie - is so offensive to Muslims, something he calls a "clash of civilizations."

Agree or disagree? Do you even understand his point of view?

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...67BB8E613E.htm

Coincidentally, this LA Times columnist says the "clash of civilizations" thing is a myth, that most conflicts in the world are instead clashes of ethnicities or within common religions.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...ome-commentary

And, from the other side, a column looking at "The End Of Tolerance" in Europe for multi-culturalism. . . . . the cartoon issue pushes tolerance to a line that Europeans will not cross.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11569485/site/newsweek/

Cowperson

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

For those interested, a Muslim columnist writing at Al-Jazeera explains why the cartoon controversy - and the writings of Salman Rushdie - is so offensive to Muslims, something he calls a "clash of civilizations."

Agree or disagree? Do you even understand his point of view?

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...67BB8E613E.htm

I actually don't understand his point of view. It looks like he's saying this...

1. Cartoons are vicious insults
2. Abusing prisoners is evil and degrading
3. Cartoons and prisoner abuse are equally bad and equally insulting
4. Therefore, the protests and riots over the cartoons are justified because they are as bad as prisoner abuses

Leaping Lanny Poffo would be proud of that jump. Torturing human beings and drawing cartoons are just a little bit different. I bet I'd know how a victim of prisoner abuse would answer if asked "what's worse, an electric current to the genitals, or a cartoon of Mohammed in a Danish newspaper".

[KootenayFlamesFan]

It was hard for me to take the piece seriously when the second paragraph started with:

"The very idea of giving Rushdie a literary prize after his book Satanic Verses was like offering Hitler the Nobel Peace Prize after Auschwitz."



Not really sure what the piece is trying to say, except that Rushdie is a terrible guy, the cartoons were personally insulting to Muslims, and there are many hate mongers of Islam in the Western world.

I also found this part interesting:



"Democracy does indeed guarantee the right of every individual to express his or her beliefs and sentiments.

This includes despicable hate mongers who will use freedom to spit their venom.

However, democracy abhors absolutism of all kinds, and is based on compromise and accommodation. Democratic coexistence is about negotiated compromises rather than dogmatic adherence to abstract principles at no matter what cost."


So basically, he thinks free speech is OK.......as long as it doesn't offend him?

Nice to see this writer use the freedom of speech to condem the Danish cartoons that are upsetting Muslims........from his cozy office in London.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by azzarish

Who is they exactly? Is that everyone, or just the ones that are always highlighted in newspapers and TV.

The they I'm referring to is fundamental psychos who seem to think it's ok to kill people over an insult to islam.

sorry, I'm not sure exactly what point you are making. Are you suggesting that most of these killing are not done in that manner, but the news only highlights the killings done like that?

[Cowperson]

The University of California Irvine campus has a student panel discussion turn nasty on this topic . . . .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11617274/

EDIT: Also, intellectuals issue a statement calling for a Jihad against "religious totalitarianism."

The recent violence surrounding the publication in the West of caricatures of Prophet Muhammad illustrate the danger of religious "totalitarianism," Salman Rushdie and a group of other writers have said in a statement.

Rushdie, French philosopher Bernard Henri-Levy and exiled Bangladeshi writer Taslima Nasreen were among those putting their names to the statement, to be published on Wednesday in the French weekly Charlie Hebdo, one of several French newspapers which reprinted the controversial cartoons.


"After having overcome fascism, Nazism, and Stalinism, the world now faces a new global threat: Islamism," they wrote.


"We, writers, journalists, intellectuals, call for resistance to religious totalitarianism and for the promotion of freedom, equal opportunity and secular values for all."

They added that the clashes over the caricatures "revealed the necessity of the struggle for these universal values. The struggle will not be won by arms, but in the ideological field.

"It is not a clash of civilisations nor an antagonism of West and East that we are witnessing, but a global struggle that confronts democrats and theocrats."

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...3623E86995.htm

Cowperson

[HOZ]

Tick...tick....tick.....waiting for the next fatwa...tick...tick.....