Ranking the Canadian Teams

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yeah I remember when the Hartford Whalers wone the Cup after qualifying for the playoffs in the 70's. They didn't have the points, but man their goal differential was . . .

sorry I can't do it, that's the stupidest thing I've ever read.

Calgary is 5 points up on the Habs therefore Calgary better then the Habs the stats don't make up the difference, they would if they were tied or close with games in hand on either side, but they're not. Every team in Canada in pretty much better then the Habs with the exception of the Oilers.

I feel Montreal is turning the corner after their debacle of firing everyone except the janitors. The extensive press coverage of non-french speaking coach must have further caused greater turmoil in the dressing room. The players were not playing well. Now it seems they are 6-3-1 with a four game winning streak albeit not against great teams but nonetheless and 5 points back of Flames. Carey Price is playing better and so is Subban... Like I said it was a toss up with Flames and Habs and in the end I went with goal diff.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by VERVE

I feel Montreal is turning the corner after their debacle of firing everyone except the janitors. The extensive press coverage of non-french speaking coach must have further caused greater turmoil in the dressing room. The players were not playing well. Now it seems they are 6-3-1 with a four game winning streak albeit not against great teams but nonetheless and 5 points back of Flames. Carey Price is playing better and so is Subban... Like I said it was a toss up with Flames and Habs and in the end I went with goal diff.

Calgary took one of the hottest teams to overtime in Anaheim, beat the Sharks, beat the Canucks, took 4 out of 6 on the road and 6 out of 8 during a very tough schedule.

Calgary has gained 13 points in the last 10 Montreal has gained 13 points in the last 10.

Montreal is 7 points out of a playoff spot and is more then likely in next year country. Calgary is 2 points back and very much alive.

Montreal is below .500 by one game Calgary is 4 games above .500.

Goal diffential means nothing in this case. Calgary is just flat out not only better then montreal, but they're at a different level. Montreal is more Edmonton then Calgary.

In this case Goals for and against doesn't mean anything at all.

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Calgary took one of the hottest teams to overtime in Anaheim, beat the Sharks, beat the Canucks, took 4 out of 6 on the road and 6 out of 8 during a very tough schedule.

Calgary has gained 13 points in the last 10 Montreal has gained 13 points in the last 10.

Montreal is 7 points out of a playoff spot and is more then likely in next year country. Calgary is 2 points back and very much alive.

Montreal is below .500 by one game Calgary is 4 games above .500.

Goal diffential means nothing in this case. Calgary is just flat out not only better then montreal, but they're at a different level. Montreal is more Edmonton then Calgary.

In this case Goals for and against doesn't mean anything at all.

I guess we have to wait and see the results at the end of the season. Not much use in over analyzing something that is based on a guess.

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by moon

So then it was because you know nothing about hockey?

No, more like I "know nothing about" about what you are saying or referencing to...

[moon]

Originally Posted by VERVE

No, more like I "know nothing about" about what you are saying or referencing to...

Well if you said you ranked Calgary lower because of the rivalry that would make sense.

But saying that you did it while ignoring points and deciding that for some reason goal differential was more important would point to you not understanding hockey and how things work.

So I am left to believe that your rankings are based on you not understanding hockey.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by moon

Well if you said you ranked Calgary lower because of the rivalry that would make sense.

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What rivalry do you speak of?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by VERVE

I guess we have to wait and see the results at the end of the season. Not much use in over analyzing something that is based on a guess.

You can't just "agree to disagree" when your point is either baseless or incredulous. The perception that your ranking of Montreal ahead of the Flames is influenced by an inferiority complex is a natural conclusion to make, given that there is no rational basis to support your position.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by VERVE

I guess we have to wait and see the results at the end of the season. Not much use in over analyzing something that is based on a guess.

How is it a guess, you ranked the teams for right now and threw in some looney goals differential means more then reality.

Then you shield yourself by taking a wait and see and blah blah end of the year.

Just admit that your sister is about as logical as a hobo on acid and move on.

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Team goal differential is actually a very good measure of a team's strength and predictor of a team's place in the standings. Unfortunately, Verve is trying to use a corollary (a team's goal differential) in place of the absolute (the team's actual standing).

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by moon

Well if you said you ranked Calgary lower because of the rivalry that would make sense.

Originally Posted by moon

But saying that you did it while ignoring points and deciding that for some reason goal differential was more important would point to you not understanding hockey and how things work.

So I am left to believe that your rankings are based on you not understanding hockey.

Moon, I am basing my guess on current points and other parameters. Since it was a toss up (like a tie), I used a quick reference of goal differential as a deciding tool. The NHL uses this tool as well as one of their ways to decide a tie breaker. I just so happen to use as a final ranking tool. Again, as mentioned, the ranking is not about which team is better but a final standing result.

If you had read my previous few posts carefully instead of clouding your judgement by getting your organs engorged in a blood-filled frenzy, then you might have comprehend the issue much better. Your knowledge of hockey is unprecedented...to the moon.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You can't just "agree to disagree" when your point is either baseless or incredulous. The perception that your ranking of Montreal ahead of the Flames is influenced by an

Originally Posted by Textcritic

inferiority complex is a natural conclusion to make, given that there is no rational basis to support your position.

Huh? There you go again Textcritic with your freudian psychoanalysis of random inkblots. The only run-in I had regarding my inferiority complex was this summer when I came out of the cold water of Wizard lake at my parents cottage and realizing my trunks had slipped off. It took a vacuum pump and plenty of coaxing and soaking. It wasn't pretty but I got over it.

My ranking is what it is, a ranking representing the final standing at the end of the year as described by the op. At least I am basing on something like a goal diff stat as well as the current point total which maybe more than some of the other posters whom have presented earlier.

I believe your logic which discounts my approach and calling it without "rational basis" is irrational. I supported my position well enough. It is your determination that is proving futile and baseless which is to find something hidden in a pandora's box when there is no box to be found.

From my understanding of this thread, it was to rank the Cdn teams' final standing at the end of the year and not which team is currently better. There are many intangibles as well as tangibles to consider with teams from different conferences.


Jets 4 life wrote earlier: "Sorry if the title mislead anyone. I meant it would be fun to predict the order of which the Canadian teams finish from 1st to 7th place at the start of the season. "

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers

Team goal differential is actually a very good measure of a team's strength and predictor of a team's place in the standings. Unfortunately, Verve is trying to use a corollary (a team's goal differential) in place of the absolute (the team's actual standing).

No I am using both the team goal differential and the current point together. It is not a scientifically based and or containing superstring algorithm. It is a quick and dirty way of looking at things and some psychology majors are reading far too much in to this...

[vilzeh]

Verve, you sir, are an idiot.

So, moving on people.

I think Montreal is better than anyone in the league right now, they have won the most Stanley Cups.

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

Verve, you sir, are an idiot.

So, moving on people.

I think Montreal is better than anyone in the league right now, they have won the most Stanley Cups.

Is this your contribution, Vilzeh, calling someone a name? Very profound and useful, indeed.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."

Ralph Waldo Emerson

[vilzeh]

Originally Posted by VERVE

Is this your contribution, Vilzeh, calling someone a name? Very profound and useful, indeed.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."

Ralph Waldo Emerson

At least I didn't google something here.

Anyways, that was my contribution, because I know I'm not the only to think that of you at the moment, I'm just the one who said it. Sue me.

[Gary83]

Crud..

How many points did we miss out on when we lost 9-0 to Boston. I thought we just missed out on 2 points but am starting to question my knowledge after reading this thread. Hope someone can enlighten me!

[moon]

Originally Posted by VERVE

Moon, I am basing my guess on current points and other parameters. Since it was a toss up (like a tie), I used a quick reference of goal differential as a deciding tool. The NHL uses this tool as well as one of their ways to decide a tie breaker. I just so happen to use as a final ranking tool. Again, as mentioned, the ranking is not about which team is better but a final standing result

I don't think you understand what toss-up or tie means.

[troutman]

Head-to-Head, CGY has owned MTL the last 3-4 years.

[Jets4Life]

Standings after February 19, 2012:

1. Vancouver (38-15-6)
2. Ottawa (30-22-8)
3. Calgary (28-22-9)
4. Toronto (29-24-6)
5. Winnipeg (29-26-6)
6. Montreal (24-26-10)
7. Edmonton (22-30-6)

The Canucks and Flames are on Fire, the Sens, Leafs, and Jets are fighting it out for a playoff spot, and the Oilers are still horrible.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

Standings after February 19, 2012:

1. Vancouver (38-15-6)
2. Ottawa (30-22-8)
3. Calgary (28-22-9)
4. Toronto (29-24-6)
5. Winnipeg (29-26-6)
6. Montreal (24-26-10)
7. Edmonton (22-30-6)

The Canucks and Flames are on Fire, the Sens, Leafs, and Jets are fighting it out for a playoff spot, and the Oilers are still horrible.

this is the only way teams should ever be ranked

[timbit]

1. Vancouver (38-15-6)
2. Ottawa (30-22-8)
3. Calgary (28-22-9)
4. Toronto (29-24-6)
5. Winnipeg (29-26-6)






6. Montreal (24-26-10)



















7. Edmonton (22-30-6)