02-12-2012, 11:41 PM
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Sounds like she was still heavily addicted to drugs even after saying that she had cleaned up her act.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...owned-autopsy/
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Prescription drugs had been found in the Beverly Hills Hilton hotel room where Houston's lifeless body was discovered Saturday afternoon just hours before a huge Grammy party she was to attend.
Police discovered a half dozen bottles of medication in Houston's room, TMZ reported, adding that family members said Houston had been taking the prescription drug Xanax, which is often used to treat anxiety.
When combined with alcohol, Xanax can cause drowsiness. Houston was reportedly found in her bathtub -- TMZ says her head was underwater -- and could not be revived by paramedics after being removed from the tub.
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Sounds like it was Xanax and she drowned in the bath tub. The investigation now has to focus on the doctors who wrote her the prescriptions.
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02-12-2012, 11:48 PM
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Where was Kevin Costner? HE WAS SUPPOSED TO PROTECT HER!
Other than that who cares. Another dead celebrity. Good, go die.
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02-12-2012, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Sounds like she was still heavily addicted to drugs even after saying that she had cleaned up her act.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...owned-autopsy/
Sounds like it was Xanax and she drowned in the bath tub. The investigation now has to focus on the doctors who wrote her the prescriptions.
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Given her history of drug use, the GP that perscribed Xanax wasn't very bright. Xanax is a highly addictive drug that should never have been given to her. The plot thickens.
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02-12-2012, 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dion
Given her history of drug use, the GP that perscribed Xanax wasn't very bright. Xanax is a highly addictive drug that should never have been given to her. The plot thickens.
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Beat me to the punch, I was just reading up on Xanax and wondering who in their right mind would give this to a woman with heavy addiction issues. It sounds like there were multiple bottles of the stuff in her room, I didn't know that they could prescribe it by the case load.
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02-12-2012, 11:56 PM
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According to a longtime friend of Whitney’s Grammy-winning gospel singer mother, “Cissy [Houston] absolutely could not stop screaming for about half an hour, after getting the news” of her daughter’s untimely death.
“For God’s sakes, she had only spoken to her about a half-hour before she went into that bathroom. … There was NOTHING that indicated Whitney was high or doing anything wrong. … They had a totally normal conversation about the Grammys, Clive [Davis’ pre-Grammy] party that night, what she was going to wear. Just normal, mother-daughter, casual chit-chat stuff.
“That’s what made the shock so much more intense for Cissy. I was afraid she was going to have a heart attack herself.”
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http://www.suntimes.com/entertainmen...er-circle.html
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02-12-2012, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Beat me to the punch, I was just reading up on Xanax and wondering who in their right mind would give this to a woman with heavy addiction issues. It sounds like there were multiple bottles of the stuff in her room, I didn't know that they could prescribe it by the case load.
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Have to wonder if she had a GP like MJ had and he/she was giving her the drugs in an effort to hold on to his/her steady source of income.
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02-13-2012, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Dion
I don't think it's as simple as you make it. Not everyone knows their personailty traits and that they may have addiction issues. Think of all the youth that took up smoking or drugs because of peer pressure or basic curiosity. They later realise they have an addiction and need to quit. The initial choice may have been a poor one but you can't dismiss the efforts of those who try to quit. Often they fail and fail again and they keep on trying.
My sympathy doesn't lie with the poor choices people make but with the efforts people make to undo it. Cripes, i've made my fair share of poor choices in my life. WH got in deep with drugs and I suspect the autopsy will show she died of a heart attack from all the damage done to her heart and body from her drug use.
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Whitney had one hell of a great publicist if she was always so troubled! In fact the reason why she was so well liked and had so many admirers is because of her squeaky clean image and positive choices.
As far as your thoughts on breaking everything down to choices and the ability to make positive ones being too simplistic that's fair enough. Each individual is different but if the solution isn't simple enough for them then they'd be in for a lot of failures. It's the KISS method, and I'm so not talking about the Gene Simmons KISS as that would be the wrong choice!
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02-13-2012, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest
Whitney had one hell of a great publicist if she was always so troubled! In fact the reason why she was so well liked and had so many admirers is because of her squeaky clean image and positive choices.
As far as your thoughts on breaking everything down to choices and the ability to make positive ones being too simplistic that's fair enough. Each individual is different but if the solution isn't simple enough for them then they'd be in for a lot of failures. It's the KISS method, and I'm so not talking about the Gene Simmons KISS as that would be the wrong choice!
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Hmm, Gene hasn't ever been a user, so unless his "wrong choice" was greed, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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02-13-2012, 01:44 AM
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Hmm, Gene hasn't ever been a user, so unless his "wrong choice" was greed, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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I just meant Keep It Simple Stupid over the band KISS. Absolutely nothing wrong with the band as they rock.
Sorry for the confusion!
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02-13-2012, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Beat me to the punch, I was just reading up on Xanax and wondering who in their right mind would give this to a woman with heavy addiction issues. It sounds like there were multiple bottles of the stuff in her room, I didn't know that they could prescribe it by the case load.
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Stupid move from the doc, but I doubt it was difficult to get for her anyways. You don't see very many overdose deaths with benzos like you would with narcs, so I think the doc probably figured he was safe.
Unfortunately, we see it here too. It's clonazapam in Canada that's a problem, but they are essentially the same. We have little else for acute anxiety, and for people with addictions, anxiety is common.
Benzos work actually very similar to alcohol in the brain (activate GABA receptors on neurons which act as an inhibitory effect on the nerve). I am only hazarding a guess, but I would assume addiction rates are similar.
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02-13-2012, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Stupid move from the doc, but I doubt it was difficult to get for her anyways. You don't see very many overdose deaths with benzos like you would with narcs, so I think the doc probably figured he was safe.
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The doc created another addiction problem for her. That's not safe. Benzo's are highly addictive where the body develops a tolerance for the drug resulting in the user having to ever increase the dosage to get the same effect. Mixing it with alcohol can be deadly as it increases the sedation the drug provides. For all we know, she could have taken too much of Xanax and fallen asleep in the bath tub where she drowned.
The doc had choices like Paxil that treats anxiety and it's not an addictive drug. He/she screwed up big time!
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02-13-2012, 03:21 AM
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We all have problems, it's how we deal with them that makes us who we are. Many of us (I hope all of us) on here don't turn to drugs when the going gets tough. Drugs will not help with anything!
I'm not saying she was a bad person, but she DID make wrong choices. Hard to feel sorry for someone when they obviously didn't give a damn about their life or their family whom I feel sorry for. She knew what she was getting herself into when she started. Yes, when you're addicted to anything, it's really difficult to stop, but there is a simple solution: don't start in the first place.
Life is all about choices and she made a wrong one that unfortunately cost her life at 48.
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02-13-2012, 08:32 AM
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As sad as it is that she died, she became a punchline about 10 years ago to to her massive drug problems, her marriage to that loser and her career that went right off of the sled.
I find it amusing that the people who made her into that punchline, and the people that pretty much abandoned her are now overwhelming in getting their sympathy message out there.
Twitter is an amazing thing, it allows you to go from d##che bag to sympathetic hero with the death of somebody important.
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02-13-2012, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dion
The doc created another addiction problem for her. That's not safe. Benzo's are highly addictive where the body develops a tolerance for the drug resulting in the user having to ever increase the dosage to get the same effect. Mixing it with alcohol can be deadly as it increases the sedation the drug provides. For all we know, she could have taken too much of Xanax and fallen asleep in the bath tub where she drowned.
The doc had choices like Paxil that treats anxiety and it's not an addictive drug. He/she screwed up big time!
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It is very rarely deadly even if mixed with alcohol (even then it was drowning accident that killed her, not an acute overdose), though still dangerous. While SSRIs like paxil are first line therapy for anxiety disorders and they decrease the number and severity of "attacks", you still need something for acute anxiety. However, the doc could/should have ensured if they were going to prescribe it with her addiction habits, there should not have been many. Having said all that, she is a professional who works a lot. It would be reasonable to assume that she could lie about not having any (which addicts do), lie about losing them (which addicts do), or just tell the dr/pharmacist that she needed more as she was working and couldn't get back in for a while. Heck, how hard would it be for her to see three or four doctors and go to three or four pharmacies?
Even with her addiction, many docs would still prescribe it, especially in a for-profit environment where the patient is the Dr's customer.
Again, while benzo's are addictive (I definitely wouldn't say highly), there wouldn't have been many other options. If were her Dr, I don't think I would have prescribed it. However, without knowing the quantities prescribed our how many Dr's prescribed it, malpractice is not easily assumed.
And for all we know, she could have just drank and drown in the bathtub
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02-13-2012, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
As sad as it is that she died, she became a punchline about 10 years ago to to her massive drug problems, her marriage to that loser and her career that went right off of the sled.
I find it amusing that the people who made her into that punchline, and the people that pretty much abandoned her are now overwhelming in getting their sympathy message out there.
Twitter is an amazing thing, it allows you to go from d##che bag to sympathetic hero with the death of somebody important.
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Media has been doing that since Marilyn Monroe
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02-13-2012, 06:03 PM
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Dear RIAA,
This is why people hate you.
http://arts.nationalpost.com/2012/02...st-hits-album/
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Angry music fans everywhere are currently lambasting Sony Music for hiking up the price of the late-Whitney Houston’s 1997 greatest hits album, The Ultimate Collection.
Hot on the heels of the singer’s untimely death on Saturday night, the company that owns rights to much of Houston’s back catalogue upped the wholesale price of the album which in turn increased the retail price on iTunes by approximately $3. This increase happened hours after the news broke.
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02-13-2012, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest
I have a problem only with the wrong point of view in the matter. Everyone has a choice. You have a choice, I have a choice, and poor wrong choosing Whitney had a choice. I have ZERO sympathy with someone who has so much and choo choo chooses to have so little. I feel awful for Whitney's family and friends but I do not feel sorry for her. She chose this path fully and completely and it's self admitted by her as well.
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Terrible post.
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02-13-2012, 06:25 PM
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Terrible post.
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Yours too.
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02-13-2012, 06:31 PM
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What does this have to do with the RIAA? The story quotes Sony as the organization that took the egregious action.
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