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Old 02-11-2012, 11:27 AM   #1121
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Oh Suarez... I have always fancied Liverpool as my favourite of the "big" clubs, but Suarez and Dalglish are embarrassing. On Soccer Central they showed Dalglish's post-match interview and he was ignorant and quite pathetic actually.

The Norwich-Swansea game was a cracker. Norwich were down 1-0 at half, only to go 3-1 up in the second on a couple of garbage goals (I'll admit it), and then have Swansea pull one back on a penalty late. I'm not sure where the ref found 5 minutes to add on, but it made for an exciting finish. That was Swansea's second loss at home this year (the other was Man Utd) and they (prior to the game) had the second lowest goals against at home in the league. A good away win for Norwich, for sure.

And it is getting ugly for Newcastle. Actually it was ugly from the beginning for them. Tottenham are picking them apart.
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Dalglish earlier in the week .....
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"People are already speculating on the pre-match ceremony, but from Luis's point of view we have spoken to him and I know he will shake the hand of Patrice Evra and the other Manchester United players before the game."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...z-patrice-evra

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"I think you're bang out of order to blame Luis Suarez for anything that happened here today."

"I never knew Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand," Dalglish said. "I wasn't there, I never saw it. It's contrary to what I've been told."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16996567

Regardless of whether or not we are to believe Dalglish's second quote the fact remains that Suarez today not only embarassed himself and confirmed the racist POS that he is but he also gave Dalglish a slap across the face by his actions and embarassed both him and Liverpool.

Regarding the game, after the drama but it's obvious just how out of his depth Downing is. How he lasted 60 minutes is beyond me. Scholes has still got it and Evans bar the slip on the goal was outstanding.
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Outraged by everything and ashamed of nothing, Kenny Dalglish's response over Luis Suárez sums up the paranoia enveloping Liverpool
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/b...sh-luis-suarez
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Well that sucked. Unbelievable they came out so flat, especially with the possibility of moving into 4th. And the real killer here isn't necessarily the loss but the big goal diff hit. Europe could be decided on it this year. Losing by three to Fulham was bad enough, now this.
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Old 02-11-2012, 05:26 PM   #1124
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This James McLean fella has come out of nowhere for Sunderland and if he keeps it up is going to make it hard for Trapattoni to ignore him for the summer.
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missing Tiote and Cabaye was just too much I think for Newcastle

Spurs have had arguably the best midfield in England this year and without those two in the middle it was always going to be tough

Ba and Cisse didn't get any service from the midfield, hope they bounce back because it would be fun to see them finish 4th ahead of the other 3

I did love the Spurs fans singing 'Pardew for England'
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Finally ... they start to rein him in.

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Liverpool forward Luis Suarez apologized on Sunday for not shaking Patrice Evra’s hand before his side’s 2-1 defeat at Manchester United with manager Kenny Dalglish also saying sorry for his reaction. The Uruguayan was banned for eight matches for racially abusing Evra in October but refused to shake the Frenchman’s hand during Saturday’s pre-match Premier League ritual, prompting widespread condemnation.
“I have spoken with the manager since the game at Old Trafford and I realise I got things wrong,” Suarez said in a statement issued by Liverpool.
“I’ve not only let him down, but also the club and what it stands for and I’m sorry. I made a mistake and I regret what happened. ”I should have shaken Patrice Evra’s hand before the game and I want to apologise for my actions. I would like to put this whole issue behind me and concentrate on playing football.“
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In another statement issued on Sunday, Dalglish said: ”It is right that Luis Suarez has now apologised for what happened at Old Trafford.
“To be honest, I was shocked to hear that the player had not shaken hands having been told earlier in the week that he would do.
”When I went on TV after yesterday’s game I hadn’t seen what had happened, but I did not conduct myself in a way befitting of a Liverpool manager during that interview and I’d like to apologise for that.“
As the club tried to limit the damage after a raft of criticism from players, fans and the media, Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre said in a third statement that Suarez had been wrong.
”We are extremely disappointed Luis Suarez did not shake hands with Patrice Evra before yesterday’s game. The player had told us beforehand that he would, but then chose not to do so,“ said Ayre.
”He was wrong to mislead us and wrong not to offer his hand to Patrice Evra. He has not only let himself down, but also Kenny Dalglish, his team mates and the Club. It has been made absolutely clear to Luis Suarez that his behaviour was not acceptable.“
http://www.canada.com/sports/Liverpo...111/story.html

And United thank Liverpool for apologising to .... well .... Liverpool and Sky TV.

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Manchester United thanks Liverpool for the apologies issued following Saturday's game.
Everyone at Old Trafford wants to move on from this. The history of our two great clubs is one of success and rivalry unparalleled in British football.
That should be the focus in the future of all those who love the clubs.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Fe...l-apology.aspx

Time to move on from this. Pleasantly surprised that Liverpool have reined Dalglish and Suarez in and the matter is now pretty much closed.
I was waiting for them to warm up for the Brighton game wearing Suarez foam hands.
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I was waiting for them to warm up for the Brighton game wearing Suarez foam hands.
I have to admit that I lol'd at this. That's quite the image now stuck in my head
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Dalglish earlier in the week .....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...z-patrice-evra

Dalglish post game ....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16996567

Regardless of whether or not we are to believe Dalglish's second quote the fact remains that Suarez today not only embarassed himself and confirmed the racist POS that he is but he also gave Dalglish a slap across the face by his actions and embarassed both him and Liverpool.
I know the club has apologized today but please think before you post. Suarez was deemed not a racist by the report. He was deemed as using racist behaviour. There is a difference. Don't accuse him of being racist outright.
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I know the club has apologized today but please think before you post. Suarez was deemed not a racist by the report. He was deemed as using racist behaviour. There is a difference. Don't accuse him of being racist outright.
So?

I reserve the right to contend that someone that is guilty of racist behaviour once is by default a racist for that particular period/incident in time. Just as someone that burgled a house once in their teens and then reflects back during later life that they were a thief then.

Disagree all you want but I'll reserve my right. Walks like a duck ....

And think before you post yourself. They (or Suarez) have YET to apologise for using racist behaviour by default enabling it. They were apologizing to themselves and a TV network.

The Oilers of the PL. A once great dynasty that now, serves nothing more than entertainment value to the rest of the league for their ongoing blunders.
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So?

I reserve the right to contend that someone that is guilty of racist behaviour once is by default a racist for that particular period/incident in time. Just as someone that burgled a house once in their teens and then reflects back during later life that they were a thief then.

Disagree all you want but I'll reserve my right. Walks like a duck ....

And think before you post yourself. They (or Suarez) have YET to apologise for using racist behaviour by default enabling it. They were apologizing to themselves and a TV network.

The Oilers of the PL. A once great dynasty that now, serves nothing more than entertainment value to the rest of the league for their ongoing blunders.
What on earth are you on about? Did you even read my post properly? The report said he was NOT a racist. Reserve all your right if you want but don't state something that is wrong because it doesn't suit what you want to believe.

Suarez has apologized for what what he said, doesn't mean he still doesn't believe he's innocent. Apologizing to a TV network? The same TV networks and media who have been on Liverpool's case since the very beginning and love the thought of the story continuing in all it's glory so they keep selling papers. Please!
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Personally I find all of this toing and froing between Liverpool and Man U supporters a little bit annoying. One side is quick to persecute and the other quick to defend, yet my sense is that is particular issue is symptomatic of a larger problem in the English game.

While I thought Kenny Dalglish was wrong to offer his player unwavering and unconditional support and going so far as to almost excuse the behaviour was a poor choice. But in his defence, would any other EPL manager have done anything differently? Alex Ferguson was very quick to say that Suarez should never play for Liverpool again. While he is entitled to his opinion(s), his handling of the Eric Cantona kung-fu kick situation is/was no different. Charged, convicted, banned globally and fined, Ferguson resisted the many calls for United to dump Cantona - a player who had a proven track record of violent conduct and terrible disciplinary record across two countries. For you United fans not old enough to remember this incident and want some sort of evidence read this:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/c...na-183609.html

To further the point was his defending Roy Keane in the wake of his vicious tackle on Alf-Inge Haaland in 2001. "Ferguson broke off from his preparations for tonight's Champions League qualifier against Zalaegerszegi to offer Keane his total support, and refused to condemn the 31-year-old for stating he had deliberately set out to injure Alfie Haaland in a now-infamous Premiership match against Manchester City 16 months ago."

Again for those who are not aware of this situation please read:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...wsstory.sport1

The current breed of EPL managers have become fantastic spin-doctors. Their players are always innocent of the red cards and/or suspensions they receive, citing an anti-(enter team here) campaign or criticizing the match officials' professionalism and loyalties. They all do it - week in week out. Dalglish is no different, as is AVB or Wenger or Ferguson or Harry Redknapp or any of them. Bill Shankly was, as was Brian Clough. Sadly, honesty and discretion amongst top-flight managers in in short supply as the stakes (CL/UEFA money, promotion/parachute payments, etc) are too high.

Dalglish's mea culpa to LFC TV was at least something. They acknowledged their transgressions and have made amends, which, I have to add, is more than a lot of managers and clubs would have done. Will AVB personally and publicly apologize to QPR and Anton Ferdinand if John Terry is convicted in July? We will have to wait and see.

So in light of all this, I'd caution members of certain clubs against using derisive and inflammatory language in situations like this, because as recent history has shown us, if it were your club that was in the spotlight, chances are that your manager would not act any differently than Dalglish has done. Unequivocally wrong, yes, but it is the state of affairs in the EPL these days.


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From David Bond BBC Sports Editor:

"Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt told me that the government believes football has the power to send a message to wider society about these sensitive issues. But while there is something laudable in Cameron and Hunt getting involved and reminding the game of the example it sets younger people in Britain, campaigners I speak to question how much good it will actually do.

That's because until football clubs - not the Football Association nor the Premier League - are prepared to tackle their players, then all this will continue to feel pretty hollow.

It has taken four months for Liverpool to admonish Suarez publicly. And only because he refused to shake the hand of Evra. This has nothing to do with the Uruguayan calling his Manchester United rival a "negro".

And even though Terry has been stripped of the England captaincy pending his trial for allegedly racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, Chelsea continue to stand by their captain. Innocent until proven guilty, I hear you cry. But in many other walks of life, an employee would be suspended by their employer until the outcome of a criminal trial.

This is ultimately about player power. Dalglish wanted to do everything he could to keep Suarez at Anfield. As for Terry, his situation is different but there is no question that Chelsea do not want to get into a major dispute with the centre-half.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidbond...tle_suare.html

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This is baffling:

Carlos Tevez to return to Manchester City on Tuesday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17007319
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Carlos Tevez to return to Manchester City on Tuesday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17007319
his wages get doubled if City win the league

500k a week

he senses that it's getting close
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France Football is saying Eden Hazard to Spurs in the summer

I need a new pair of pants
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Old 02-13-2012, 01:10 PM   #1137
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he just said on Belgium tv

‘Maybe I’ll go to Tottenham. It’s a great English club. I said I would go to England’.
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rumor seems to have come from that source, either way what seems to be known as fact is that he's coming to England and it's going to be 1 of 4 teams next year because he said he wants in the CL
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rumor seems to have come from that source, either way what seems to be known as fact is that he's coming to England and it's going to be 1 of 4 teams next year because he said he wants in the CL
It wasn't too long ago that his preference seemed to be Spain though. I think it is likely that a lot of big clubs from multiple countries will be bidding for him. I also recall him saying that he wants to go somewhere where he is guaranteed playing time, so it is possible that that could rule out City/Barcelona and a couple others. At the end of the day its all about $$ and Champs league though.
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ya I don't see him going to City after seeing the situation Nasri is going through right now
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