FC's 2012 Draft Thread

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Wronskian

Gaunce, McNeil, it always seems like there is a guy like this in every draft. Agreed, definitely not what we need right now. I'd love to grab another pick like Bartschi; an uber skilled player with passion that WANTS to play for Calgary. Any player players in this draft that fit that mould?

Sebastian Collberg is very skilled, but not terribly fast. Sounds a lot like Bartschi. Isn't adjusted to the NA style of game though and hasn't had a great season so far.

[Wronskian]

Originally Posted by kirant

Sebastian Collberg is very skilled, but not terribly fast. Sounds a lot like Bartschi. Isn't adjusted to the NA style of game though and hasn't had a great season so far.

I thought Collberg played well in the WJC games I saw, in fact, I was more impressed with him than F.Forsberg. I know Forsberg is projected to have a higher ceiling but is the gap between them really that big?

I remember that the knock on Sven last year was his skating, but it does't seem to be a huge issue anymore, just shows the importance of player dedication,

That said, I'd prefer to select from north american leagues; not a bias or anything, I think that given the flames generally poor player development, it might be easier to develop a player raised on the small ice surface.

What about a guy like Radek Faksa? Leads the OHL in rookie scoring and is said to be an intelligent player.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Wronskian

I thought Collberg played well in the WJC games I saw, in fact, I was more impressed with him than F.Forsberg. I know Forsberg is projected to have a higher ceiling but is the gap between them really that big?

Top 5 versus top 15-20. I think the difference is that Forsberg is considered a much safer pick (and possible top line talent) whereas Collberg is a bigger boom/bust potential with a slightly lower ceiling.

Originally Posted by Wronskian

What about a guy like Radek Faksa? Leads the OHL in rookie scoring and is said to be an intelligent player.

Depends what you want...Faksa is a power forward who utilizes his skills up close (and plays a pretty north-south styled game outside that) whereas Collberg is a sniper through and through.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

I liked the looks of Raphael Bussieres of Moncton during the Top Prospects game last month. I thought he was the most physically dominant player out there. Wouldn't mind the Flames grabbing him with their 3rd rounder if he's around that long.

[Flame4Ever]

Brendan Gaunce is going to have a Ryan O'Reilly impact once he makes the NHL.
He may need an extra year in junior but the guy is a big, strong center with excellent hockey IQ. He is fearless when driving to the net and is great along the boards. He has great intangibles from what I've heard and is very much a team first guy. While he does need to improve his quickness, his brother had similar issues in his draft year and progressed very well.
Faksa is another big guy, while his skating is better than Gaunce's, he shares a lot of the same chracteristics. Haven't heard as much about the intangibles, but he does have the skill to make his line-mates better. He's gotten better every game I have watched him and I think he was made to play a North American game. He's also a good 2-way player and uses his size to bull his way to the net and create scoring chances that way.
Faksa and Gaunce are the 3A/3B in terms of OHL forwards available, with Faksa being a better skater (mostly on those first two strides) , but Gaunce having the better intangibles.

[SuperMatt18]

If we make the playoffs we will probably be picking in the 14-16 range and I hope that one of Gaunce, Faksa, or Reinhart are available at that spot.

If we drop off down the stretch here and draft in the 8-10 range I really hope Galchenyuk somehow drops due to his injuries.

[FCAV]

For those draft junkies, we've released our 2012 Draft Midterm Report. Details are:

Available now as a single issue for $5.99 or as part of FC’s Season Pass, the Guide includes a ranking of the top-100 prospects eligible in 2012, as well as an in-depth look at the draft’s top risers and fallers, 10 profiles on players to keep an eye on, as well as a look at the injuries plaguing the 2012 NHL Entry Draft.

The Midterm also includes features on top prospects Mikhail Grigorenko, Ryan Murray, Griffin Reinhart, Nick Ebert and Tanner Pearson.

In true Future Considerations style, a top-10 ranking for both the 2013 and 2014 NHL Entry Draft are included, as well as features on Curtis Lazar (2013 and Anthony DeAngelo (2014).

http://futureconsiderations.ca/fc-re...midterm-guide/

There is more in the release, including a quick glimpse at the OHL Priority Draft, WHL Bantam Draft and QMJHL Entry Draft. A U17 review is in there as well and some other stuff I'm forgetting.

Keep in mind there are discounted prices in the first post of this thread for CP members.

[FCAV]

Rankings for March are out:

The contenders around him may continue to shuffle throughout the season, but there’s little disputing who the champion of the 2012 NHL Entry Draft continues to be.

http://futureconsiderations.ca/yakup...draft-ranking/

For those curious, Flames currently sit 20th.

8). D Jacob Trouba, USNTDP U18, USHL, 6-2, 195
9). D Cody Ceci, Ottawa, OHL, 6-2.5, 210
10). D Griffin Reinhart, Edmonton, WHL, 6-4, 205
11). RW Sebastian Collberg, Frolunda Jr., Swe Jr., 5-11, 175
12). C Radek Faksa, Kitchener, OHL, 6-3, 200
13). C Brendan Gaunce, Belleville, OHL, 6-2, 215
14). D Derrick Pouliot, Portland, WHL, 5-11, 185
15). RW Teuvo Teravainen, Jokerit Jr., Fin Jr., 5-11, 165

[FCAV]

We're giving away Griffin Reinhart's game-worn helmet from the 2012 Top Prospects Game to subscribers of our draft guide and season pass.

Thought it might be of some interest because he's Max's little brother!

http://futureconsiderations.ca/win-r...s-lid-with-fc/

[c.t.ner]

With how the past week has gone, it looks like the Flames are somewhat comfortably in the 10th spot in the draft. So the question is who should we go for.

Not going to lie, unless someone goes off the board and Reinhart is unavailable at Number 10, he is really starting to look like someone the flames can't pass up.

[Caged Great]

Radek Faksa.

Outside of the top 3 or 4 guys, he's probably going to be the best forward of the draft. With our need for skilled forwards being probably the greatest area of need, we really should try to get him and he should still be there.

With this draft, there are a large amount of good D-men available, so if we get Faksa and then get a bunch of D-men with the rest of the picks, we will be a lot better off than taking one of the D-men in the 1st round and then try and get a good forward later on (There are not a lot of skilled forwards to choose from this year)

[devo22]

On of those (in that order):

Griffin Reinhart
Cody Ceci
Radek Faksa
Brendan Gaunce

I'd like us to draft D this year in the first round. Griffin Reinhart would be a very solid first-round selection, Cody Ceci as well. Both big guys with NHL-ready bodies and promising two-way abilities from what I've read. If both are gone at #10 (I doubt it) and also all of Dumba, Trouba and Rielly are gone, I'd be happy with a center too - Radek Faksa and Brendan Gaunce would both be good pickups IMO.

BTW we are at #11 at the moment:

1 CBJ 55
2 MTL 71
3 EDM 71
4 MIN 72
5 NYI 73
6 TOR 75
7 ANA 75
8 CAR 75
9 TBL 75
10 WPG 78
11 CGY 83
12 BUF 84
13 WSH 84

Yakupov to CBJ, Grigorenko to MTL and Dumba/Murray to EDM seem to be locks in my opinion. After that, it's pretty open ... I could see Toronto choose Galchenyuk though.

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by devo22

On of those (in that order):

Griffin Reinhart
Cody Ceci
Radek Faksa
Brendan Gaunce

I'd like us to draft D this year in the first round. Griffin Reinhart would be a very solid first-round selection, Cody Ceci as well. Both big guys with NHL-ready bodies and promising two-way abilities from what I've read. If both are gone at #10 (I doubt it) and also all of Dumba, Trouba and Rielly are gone, I'd be happy with a center too - Radek Faksa and Brendan Gaunce would both be good pickups IMO.

BTW we are at #11 at the moment:

1 CBJ 55
2 MTL 71
3 EDM 71
4 MIN 72
5 NYI 73
6 TOR 75
7 ANA 75
8 CAR 75
9 TBL 75
10 WPG 78
11 CGY 83
12 BUF 84
13 WSH 84

Yakupov to CBJ, Grigorenko to MTL and Dumba/Murray to EDM seem to be locks in my opinion. After that, it's pretty open ... I could see Toronto choose Galchenyuk though.

I'm a little torn right now. I'm still hoping for a miracle and the team makes the playoffs, but if not, I wouldn't mind if they were able to drop a couple/three more places in the standings. Another five or six loses in a row may do that. Hate to sound like an Oilers' fan though where success is found by losing.

Reinhart would seem to be available at numbers 8-12.

[Ashasx]

I've watched Faksa a few times this year, not impressed. Not sure what people are seeing. I've seen some reports with him in the top 6, others 10-15, 15-20. I don't see him being anymore than a 20-20 player. I don't think he has elite potential. Maybe this is why I'm not a scout, I guess.

I hope we are able to pick Reinhart. I think taking him makes Bouwmeester expendable immediately if we are able to find somebody to take him.

Besides that, I do think the Flames have to take a defencemen or a centremen this draft.

[nik-]

Are we going to try and collect all three Reinharts?

I think we have a good chance of taking Griffin though, since we're going to be 11-12.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I hope we are able to pick Reinhart. I think taking him makes Bouwmeester expendable immediately if we are able to find somebody to take him.

No way can G. Reinhart step into the NHL instantly. He looks like a little bit of a project...3-4 years I think. Needs work on offensive instincts (passes off more than he should) and is a bit slow for the NHL. Tools are all there, which is why he'll go high. At least, that's my untrained viewing of him.

Either him or Pouliot are my top picks for the Flames' current position. Reinhart is first choice as he's more physical (and the Flames don't really need another mobile defender as much).

[devo22]

Originally Posted by kirant

Either him or Pouliot are my top picks for the Flames' current position. Reinhart is first choice as he's more physical (and the Flames don't really need another mobile defender as much).

well aside from Brodie, we don't really have any mobile d-men in our prospect pool. Ramage and Wotherspoon project to be more of defensive d-men while Joey Leach seems to be more of a two-way-defender - but Pouliot would fill a hole because we don't have any offensive-d-men/powerplay quarterbacks in our system. I guess it all depends on where we end up ... if we can somehow reach the playoffs or fall short closely and end up between 13 and 17, Pouliot would be a great pick. At 10 or 11, I think Ceci/Reinhart could not be passed up.

[FCAV]

Originally Posted by nik-

Are we going to try and collect all three Reinharts?

You should hope the Flames will not have the opportunity to nab Sam. He's going quick in 2014.

[FCAV]

It's not the easiest tournament to watch, but if the Flames do happen to miss the playoffs, I urge everyone to follow the World Under-18's. A lot of top draft eligible talent will be there.

From the Russians, Grigorenko and Vasilevski have been named to the roster (though Grigorenko's case depends on Quebec's participation in the QMJHL playoffs), while the Swedes will have Collberg and Forsberg in the lineup:

http://futureconsiderations.ca/grigo...-russian-u18s/
http://futureconsiderations.ca/forsb...ish-u18-entry/

[Ashasx]

Can anyone tell me in which round Tim Bozon is expected to be drafted? I've been able to watch Kamloops on Shaw a bit, and he's really impressed me.