How am I trolling you? you're the who initially replied to my post and I replied back. If you don't want to take part in an internet discussion, then don't.
This has nothing to do with Iran as we are talking about Canadian Imams.
I was simply shocked by your attempt at moral relativism. Western society has always been ahead of the curve, in regards to freedom
Which statistics are these? Religion has never shrunk in the history of mankind and it's not about to shrink now.
There are one billion muslims in the world alone and you can just imagine how many children are being born in to this specific religion everyday.
I would like to see some statistics that show religion is shrinking.
Ok. Although based on your post, I sort of doubt you're going to believe them. Anyway, here's a recent NPR article on how the number of atheists has doubled since 1990 in the US - one of the more religious countries in the world.
I was simply shocked by your attempt at moral relativism. Western society has always been ahead of the curve, in regards to freedom
Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying. Not a single person was comparing Western society to Iran or any other place for that matter.
Which statistics are these? Religion has never shrunk in the history of mankind and it's not about to shrink now.
There are one billion muslims in the world alone and you can just imagine how many children are being born in to this specific religion everyday.
I would like to see some statistics that show religion is shrinking.
Actually it has it many areas around the world, it's just the overall number of religious people following all variety of faiths keeps rising.
The number of atheists and agnostics in the Western world is on the rise and is well documented. Churches are reporting lower turn outs and having trouble raising funds compared to even 10 years ago.
However, the number of Muslims in the world is predicted to double in the next 20 years.
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I think that is a good step by the Imam. I certainly don't know how so called honor killings are looked at in the Canadian Islamic community, how the views are affected through culture or religion, but when an Imam steps in to condemn them, that can only be a good thing. In particular when a so called honor killing became front page news, it was the only responsible thing to do. Staying silent seems to imply consent for many people.
The recent murders probably did make more fingers point at the Islamic community, hopefully this helps.
Ok. Although based on your post, I sort of doubt you're going to believe them. Anyway, here's a recent NPR article on how the number of atheists has doubled since 1990 in the US - one of the more religious countries in the world.
I equate the rise of atheism to the rise of atheists. I'm not denying that atheism is on the rise, but religion is not shrinking and it never will.
Without trying to over simplify, aren't there 2 types of people in the world, in regards to this? Theists and atheists... if atheists rise dont they have to draw from the pool of theists/potential theists?
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I equate the rise of atheism to the rise of atheists. I'm not denying that atheism is on the rise, but religion is not shrinking and it never will.
Not sure why you would believe that - but it's kind of what I expected you to respond with. So I'm probably not going to bother finding more statistics.
My reply to the factual portion of the post is the same as NHB's.
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I equate the rise of atheism to the rise of atheists. I'm not denying that atheism is on the rise, but religion is not shrinking and it never will.
This is the third time you've made this claim, and you've dismissed the evidence presented. Maybe it's time for you to prove your own claims with some statistics.
I don't know how you can prove your predictions for the future, but I would be interested in how you know "it never will" shrink.
Me, I don't have any statistics on hand, but I do live in Canada, and it's as plain as the nose on my face that religious affiliation and activity is shrinking.
And this ain't scientific by any means, but I would be interested in knowing how many people in Calgarypuckland are more actively religious than their grandparents are/were, and how many are less religiously active.
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This is the third time you've made this claim, and you've dismissed the evidence presented. Maybe it's time for you to prove your own claims with some statistics.
I don't know how you can prove your predictions for the future, but I would be interested in how you know "it never will" shrink.
Me, I don't have any statistics on hand, but I do live in Canada, and it's as plain as the nose on my face that religious affiliation and activity is shrinking.
And this ain't scientific by any means, but I would be interested in knowing how many people in Calgarypuckland are more actively religious than their grandparents are/were, and how many are less religiously active.
I made the claim that religion is getting bigger, not smaller. This has been proved true throughout history. 2 billion Christians and one billion muslims will not be shrinking as their children and their Children's children are born into religion.
I did not claim that more and more people not believing in god wasn't happening. That still will not make a difference into the amount of people who will continue to believe in religion and be born into religion.
I've yet to see any stats that say religion is shrinking.
It is a mathematical prediction based on census data taken from a variety of modern/Western countries so I fully expect you to ignore it, but it's rather obvious religion is shrinking in the Western world.
Personally I think the growing/shrinking of religion has a lot to do with a growing/shrinking disparity of the middle class around the world. People living in abject poverty are more likely to find comfort in religion or be driven towards religion than a middle class family more secure in their standing. Obviously there are exceptions each way, but when the masses become more educated, the masses don't need the opiate as much anymore.
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We can call it religious, but it is prevalent in indian culture, and many others. Only 50 years our so ago, a white woman sleeping with a black guy could probably expect the same. It would be more sad if in our western society we didn't have our religious leaders speaking out, no?
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I did not claim that more and more people not believing in god wasn't happening. That still will not make a difference into the amount of people who will continue to believe in religion and be born into religion.
Well, you've convinced me. Of what, I don't know.
Anyway, enough of this. I lost 200 bucks at the casino last night, so I'm going out to spend my winnings on a new pair of shoes.
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Don't think it's a matter of being helpful nor is he really talking directly as his congregation.
More a matter of speaking up against something they don't believe in that is associated with their religion.
Would you think it was sad if a Christian minister came out saying child molestation is wrong and shouldn't be condoned by anyone of the faith?
We can call it religious, but it is prevalent in indian culture, and many others. Only 50 years our so ago, a white woman during with a black guy could probably expect the same. It would be more sad if in our western society we didn't have our religious leaders speaking out, no?
Its more tribal custom beliefs as is the forcing of woman to wear Burkas and some of the more odorous things that we attach to religion as opposed to religious beliefs itself.
In other words its a dictate of power from Tribal Chiefs or wise men being handed down as opposed to something that's in the Qur'an or bible or any of the other scriptures from different religions.
I don't recall anything in the Qur'an that approves of honor killings or child/wife murders.
Its just convenient to say that its the fault of Islam itself. I really wish some people would read these texts before debating about blame for things like these murders.
Old man Shafia should be worried more about going to hell and burning then about his appeals and his freedoms.
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