Give each murderer a rope in their cell...

[bc-chris]

A Conservative senator in Ottawa has an unconventional proposal for cutting down prison costs: Give murder convicts a rope in their prison cell, and let them decide whether to hang themselves.


"Basically, every killer should (have) the right to his own rope in his cell. They can decide whether to live," Sen. Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu told reporters Wednesday.

full story here.... http://www.castanet.net/news/Canada/...-in-their-cell

[malcolmk14]

There might be some truth to what he said, but that doesn't mean he should have said it.

[afc wimbledon]

Bit of a Homer moment really

[Sliver]

I think that's a great idea. There isn't a downside to it that I can think of. In fact, it's humane, if anything.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think we should force them into gladiator sports.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I think that's a great idea. There isn't a downside to it that I can think of. In fact, it's humane, if anything.

Not everyone that 'hangs themselves' in jail does it willingly, more than a few have 'help'.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think we should force them into gladiator sports.

The california state correctional model.

[Kybosh]

This can only end in The Running Man.

[jar_e]

Why would they want to kill themselves when they can be out on parole in 5 years?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Not everyone that 'hangs themselves' in jail does it willingly, more than a few have 'help'.

Not to mention epidemic levels of mental health disease among prisoners.

This is a stupid idea.

[RT14]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Not everyone that 'hangs themselves' in jail does it willingly, more than a few have 'help'.

Yeah, so?

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Not everyone that 'hangs themselves' in jail does it willingly, more than a few have 'help'.

R.I.P D'Angelo "D" Barksdale!

[Bill Bumface]

I don't think it's overly hard to kill yourself without a rope. I'm pretty sure if they were inclined to off themselves they are doing it anyway.

[Komskies]

How To Make Prison Wine


What You'll Need: several thick black garbage bags; a few slices of bread or rolls; some warm water; a straw; sugar packets or cubes; and something fruity with sugar in it, such as fruit juice, tomatoes, or Kool-Aid packets.

Directions

Step 1. You'll start by making a double or triple thick brewing chamber. Do this with a plastic trash bag stuck inside another trash bag stuck inside another trash bag.

Step 2. Pour a gallon of warm water.

Step 3. Add as much fruity materials as you can muster. This can be anything from leftover fruit juice to orange rinds, raisins, tomatoes, Kool-Aid, even ketchup packets...or a little bit of each whatever you can salvage from limited offerings of the prison cafeteria. The fermentation process turns sugar into alcohol, so the more sugar or sugar rich foods and liquids you have, the stronger the wine will be. Throw in about 50 sugar packets or sugar cubes, and add a new one every other day or so.

Step 4. Fermentation is triggered by the addition of yeast. Since yeast packets aren't readily available in prison, you'll have to get creative. Bread had yeast in it, but what really has a large concentration if yeast is bread mold. So snag some bread from the cafeteria when it's still fresh and moist and put it on a shelf for a few days until it starts to get moldy. When the mold forms, the bread is ready to go into the wine bag. Think ahead: The moldy bread should go onto the chamber at the same time as the fruity materials.

Step 5. Seal the bag by knotting it tightly. Run it under hot tap water every day for about 15 minutes and wrap it in a blanket to keep it warm.

Step 6. As the yeast in the bread mold ferments the sugar into alcohol, it creates carbon dioxide as a by-product, and that has to have some way to escape. So ventilate the chamber by cutting a tiny hole in the garbage bag and inserting a straw.

Step 7. Hide it. (Is there a prison anywhere in the world that lets inmates make their own liquor?) Three days will produce a slightly alcoholic wine, but wait a week and the wine will ferment into a strong but horrible tasting brew of about 13 percent alcohol, the higher end of commercially available wine's alcoholic content.

Step 8. When the week is up, wait. You can't drink it quite yet. You have to shock the wine to stop the fermentation process. Here's how: Place the bag in the toilet bowl...careful of the straw and straw hole. Flush the toilet every few minutes for about an hour to allow the cold water to wash over the the outside of the bag, cooling the wine and ending fermentation.

Step 9. Enjoy. And try not to get caught.

[octothorp]

It's a convenient solution to a problem, but it's also morally inconsistent and legally problematic. Legality first: my understanding is because suicide is a criminal offense (section 241 of criminal code), any person who aids or abets a person to suicide can also be punished; therefore, the Canadian Government and penal system would be accessory to every suicide that occurs as a result of ropes that they put in prison. Unless you want to decriminalize suicide, which creates far more problems than it solves. This is about attempting to produce a high-rate, low cost capital punishment system but it would lose any deterrent effects that capital punishment has.
I'm wholly opposed to capital punishment, but it's far preferable to an absolutely chickenpoop cowardly proposal like this. At least with a capital punishment system, the system acknowledges that they are making the decision about a criminal's life, not hoping for death but passing off any responsibility for the decision.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by octothorp

It's a convenient solution to a problem, but it's also morally inconsistent and legally problematic. Legality first: my understanding is because suicide is a criminal offense (section 241 of criminal code), any person who aids or abets a person to suicide can also be punished; therefore, the Canadian Government and penal system would be accessory to every suicide that occurs as a result of ropes that they put in prison. Unless you want to decriminalize suicide, which creates far more problems than it solves.

A bit of a correction: Suicide is already decriminalized in Canada. However, s. 241 of the Code specifically makes it an offence to counsel or aid someone else to commit suicide (i.e., there is no need to rely on s. 21 of the Code, the party to an offence provision.)

[Canada 02]

not to justify what he said, but to help put it in perspective:

Mr. Boisvenu is the founding president of the Murdered or Missing Persons’ Families Association. He established the group after his 27-year-old daughter, Julie, was abducted, raped and murdered by a repeat offender in 2002. He has also worked in senior positions in the Quebec public service.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2322441/

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

not to justify what he said, but to help put it in perspective:



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2322441/

Fair enough. Murderers are, almost without exception, pieces of . I just don't think that the state should be actively participating in thier death (especially without legislation permitting capital sentences, and especially without a judge having imposed such a capital sentence after a fair and impartial trial.)

[Hockeyguy15]

Why would a murder kill themselves in jail? We don't have harsh enough penalties for murder.

Free room, free food, free education, free gym? Why off yourself when you will be out on parole in 10-15 years?

[afc wimbledon]

I remember attending a key note speech at a conference a few years ago given by the head shrink of a reletively succesful dangerous sex offendor treatment unit out of the states, when asked how he knew the treatment was working (using group therapy and victim impact staements to instill empathy in DSO's) he replied 'they try to kill themselves'.