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Old 01-31-2012, 11:29 AM   #501
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What would have been even more shocking is that he said I am sorry for stabbed her many times and then one of the masked officers gives him the gun butt. You hit her punto get it right.
I'm not mocking the brutal attack, this guy is terrified has and no idea what is going on.

Nabb and her family are just relieved to be out of there. They were not going to have the surgery done in Mexico.
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Old 01-31-2012, 11:29 AM   #502
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It will be interesting when Nabb comes too and describes her attacker as 6'5 shaved head 255lbs.

This 85lb Quintero is a pawn.
I thought she was already conscious.

She was beaten pretty badly in the head I wouldn't be surprised if she suffered a concussion and can't remember a thing.
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The poor sap the Mexicans arrested and put on display is totally getting scape-goated here. Poor #######.

When the Canadian journalists asked him why there were no bruises on his hands or if there was anything more he wanted to say, he looked nervous and said he couldn't talk about it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he get captured on the video camera or something like that?
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I don't think he denied that he beat her up. He's denying that he intended to kill her.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he get captured on the video camera or something like that?
that is not proving anything if they are marching out a patsy for the press. Mexican police will not show the footage to the media so they could say whatever they want.
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This is brutal.

And by continuing to support the Mexican tourism industry, you essentially condone the actions of the Mexican government, police and judicial system.

My money is better spent elsewhere.
So I guess you have self contained no travel list to about 180 countries worldwide?

Every time you post in this thread it just gets more and more over the top.
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A member of the press is already saying there was no apparent marks on his hands. Look at this nub, he would bust up his hands if he punched anyone.

Every bone in her face was broken. Those hands would be completly bruised up and his so called Mexican police written confession he used his hands only. No stomping no weapon. No chance.
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Just to ask the question, is it normal for Mexican law enforcement to display a suspect front & centre for a press conference in this manner? Let alone let him talk to the press?

I'm just contrasting that against the Canadian norm of a mug shut and video of the suspect being lead to/from the courthouse. This whole "here's the guy! See we got him!" to be a little odd.

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So I guess you have self contained no travel list to about 180 countries worldwide?

Every time you post in this thread it just gets more and more over the top.
How is my post over the top at all?

The Mexican authorities appear to have put a complete scapegoat in front of the media to take the fall for this, for the purpose of keeping their tourism industry squeaky clean. By going to Mexico you do endorse their handling of this situation, like it or not.

If you don't have a problem with it, that's your choice. I don't care what you do with your money or your travel decisions.
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How is my post over the top at all?

The Mexican authorities appear to have put a complete scapegoat in front of the media to take the fall for this, for the purpose of keeping their tourism industry squeaky clean. By going to Mexico you do endorse their handling of this situation, like it or not.

If you don't have a problem with it, that's your choice. I don't care what you do with your money or your travel decisions.
How is it over the top? The bolded part would be how.

I get your point, but you're making a pretty big leap there.
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How is it over the top? The bolded part would be how.

I get your point, but you're making a pretty big leap there.
Agree to disagree then.

I think that having a scapegoat take the fall for a crime he didn't commit is pretty serious. All in the name of their tourism industry saving face.
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How is my post over the top at all?

The Mexican authorities appear to have put a complete scapegoat in front of the media to take the fall for this, for the purpose of keeping their tourism industry squeaky clean. By going to Mexico you do endorse their handling of this situation, like it or not.

If you don't have a problem with it, that's your choice. I don't care what you do with your money or your travel decisions.
there is some truth to this statement. How can anyone deny that this wasn't the reason the Mexican authorites found this pawn and unusually paraded him around with a statement.

See North America T.V news we caught our guy. Please stop bashing our #1 revenue tourism. Mexican resorts are safe. This was all about immediate damage control.

With that being said I have to Mexico 5 times and had a great time everytime. probably not going to vacation a 6th, but this has nothing to do with it.
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If you go to Australia are you endorsing the treatment of Aboriginals?
If you go to Britain are you endorsing the invasion of Iraq?
If you go to Greece are you endorsing fiscal irresponsibility?
If you go to Arkansas are you endorsing incest?
Are tourists to Canada endorsing seal clubbing?
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Agree to disagree then.

I think that having a scapegoat take the fall for a crime he didn't commit is pretty serious. All in the name of their tourism industry saving face.
I don't disagree, but that is the way the world works outside the westernised world.

I am pretty sure if the lady who was attacked is ready to finger her attacker, this guy will be behind bars, and the news cycle will have moved on. They probably even can convict this guy without her testimony. Pretty messed up stuff, but again, most of the world does this all the time.

To target a different country, I was hospitalized in the Dominican a few years ago. They sequestered my wife, and refused to take the IV out of my arm, and discharge me until I paid them $2000 in cash. This was at an "international" hospital to boot. Even though we gave them insurance papers, they wanted cash only, or they would call the police.

So for me, I am less worried about being attacked in Mexico, as my son getting injured or drowning in one of their sub-standard safety regulated pools. Happens more frequently than some would think. That extortion nightmare is fine for me, but not my family. Forget it.

So really you have only a few choices, USA, Australia, Western Europe. So for now, I think I will be going to Hawaii, Phoenix, etc. Ya, its a bit more expensive, but we can afford it. I just like the all round piece of mind at this stage of my life.

That, and the wife and I are foodies. The US has some awesome places to eat, and I won't have to live off Mexican Pizza and Hot Dogs for a week.
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If you go to Australia are you endorsing the treatment of Aboriginals?
If you go to Britain are you endorsing the invasion of Iraq?
If you go to Greece are you endorsing fiscal irresponsibility?
If you go to Arkansas are you endorsing incest?
Are tourists to Canada endorsing seal clubbing?
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How is my post over the top at all?

The Mexican authorities appear to have put a complete scapegoat in front of the media to take the fall for this, for the purpose of keeping their tourism industry squeaky clean. By going to Mexico you do endorse their handling of this situation, like it or not.

If you don't have a problem with it, that's your choice. I don't care what you do with your money or your travel decisions.
You're telling me that based on your criteria you are never visiting any place with government, police and judicial systems that have questionable actions?

That is almost word for word quoting you on Mexico so I have to assume you feel that way about all countries.

I'll try not to go too far here like Barnet did in his over the top example.

You're probably safe for most of Europe but IliketoPuck can't visit virtually any of Asia, South America, Africa, Middle East.

That means he's limited to Canada, US, Australia and Europe and there would have to be multiple European countries that wouldn't make the list. But you'd definitely have to think twice about most of Eastern Europe and the US. There would even be significant parts of Western Europe that you'd find objectionable.

Out of 200 or so countries in the world, according to your own criteria, you can't visit about 160-180 of them.

To me, that is way over the top.
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A member of the press is already saying there was no apparent marks on his hands. Look at this nub, he would bust up his hands if he punched anyone.

Every bone in her face was broken. Those hands would be completly bruised up and his so called Mexican police written confession he used his hands only. No stomping no weapon. No chance.
Can I just ask a dumb question here? I'm not picking on you, because I know that "every bone" comment has been made everywhere....but how many bones are we talking about here? Like the orbital bone and the jaw bone? I'm not trying to be facetious, but seriously what constitutes "every bone"? Could that be done with a couple of punches?
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Agree to disagree then.

I think that having a scapegoat take the fall for a crime he didn't commit is pretty serious. All in the name of their tourism industry saving face.
You've got one in agreement of your comment.
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Just to ask the question, is it normal for Mexican law enforcement to display a suspect front & centre for a press conference in this manner? Let alone let him talk to the press?

I'm just contrasting that against the Canadian norm of a mug shut and video of the suspect being lead to/from the courthouse. This whole "here's the guy! See we got him!" to be a little odd.

EDIT: Yup, I guess it is:
Mexican police channelling the Dallas PD circa 1963.
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Mexican beating accused forced into confession?

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After his arrest, officers last Friday forced him to sign a confession which he did not write and which he was not allowed to read, Acosta Quintero said in a jailhouse interview with a Mexican journalist.

"I don't know what my declaration says," he said.

"They didn't tell me anything else just, 'Sign it,' and I said, 'Can I read it?'"

He told Noroeste that he was then sworn at and told to, "Just sign it ... it's getting late and we want to go."

Another document Acosta Quintero said he was forced to sign on Sunday stated he had "meant to kill the woman." He says when he told officials he had never said that, he was told he didn't have to agree with the document but that by signing he was simply acknowledging he had read it.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2.../19318081.html
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It's important to point out that he said he was forced to sign a confession but still admits to committing the crime.
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