If we didn't have I Borg in the meantime you could almost buy the fact that Picard went all rage blackout on the Borg in First Contact. In fact one of my favorite episodes of TNG is Family. You know, the one right after Best of Both Worlds. No alien of week, no technobabble, just relationships and dealing with the consequences of Picard basically getting raped.
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If we didn't have I Borg in the meantime you could almost buy the fact that Picard went all rage blackout on the Borg in First Contact. In fact one of my favorite episodes of TNG is Family. You know, the one right after Best of Both Worlds. No alien of week, no technobabble, just relationships and dealing with the consequences of Picard basically getting raped.
The Best of Both Worlds family episodes probably represent the best work of TNG, the only stufff that's as strong was when Q was involved.
Other then that the show was 95% dreck.
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The Best of Both Worlds family episodes probably represent the best work of TNG, the only stufff that's as strong was when Q was involved.
Other then that the show was 95% dreck.
Not necessarily. I think a lot of the episodes in the latter seasons were really good, "Cause and Effect", "Unification", "Gambit", "Starship Mine", "Tapestry", "Rascals".
I think season 4 and beyond is where they started stepping up the quality of the writing and production.
I personally thought Best of Both Worlds wasn't that good with a deus ex machina ending.
I found it silly how many times the Borg just ignored them like when Data and Worf fly the Shuttle through the Borg's shield unmolested just because the Enterprise is putting on some fireworks. Then somehow they know exactly where in that cube that is like 30 cubic kilometers big to beam over within a couple feet of Picard and capture him. Then they just grab him without resistance and fly back and the Borg ship just ignores that and leaves.
It's hard for me to pinpoint any actual TNG episode that I really thought was great or wasn't full of plot holes and silliness. It was a thing I enjoyed as a kid but don't really care for anymore as an adult. My favorite episode is probably the one where Barclay becomes super-smart or maybe the one where Frasier appears.
I personally thought Best of Both Worlds wasn't that good with a deus ex machina ending.
I found it silly how many times the Borg just ignored them like when Data and Worf fly the Shuttle through the Borg's shield unmolested just because the Enterprise is putting on some fireworks. Then somehow they know exactly where in that cube that is like 30 cubic kilometers big to beam over within a couple feet of Picard and capture him. Then they just grab him without resistance and fly back and the Borg ship just ignores that and leaves.
It's hard for me to pinpoint any actual TNG episode that I really thought was great or wasn't full of plot holes and silliness. It was a thing I enjoyed as a kid but don't really care for anymore as an adult. My favorite episode is probably the one where Barclay becomes super-smart or maybe the one where Frasier appears.
Yes but didn't they use a shapped negative Ion based inverse anti-tacyhyon beam that was pwered by the port nacelle through the secondary deflector dish on a rotating frequency?
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Best of Both Worlds Part I is far superior to Part II. Also by saving Picard and having him back in the Ent-D it left Riker's character in a state of arrested development.
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Best of Both Worlds Part I is far superior to Part II. Also by saving Picard and having him back in the Ent-D it left Riker's character in a state of arrested development.
After spending about a dozen years as the XO of the Enterprise and refusing to take a command and progress his career, Riker should have been booted out of Star Fleet for excessive time in grade.
Shelby was really correct in what she said to Riker when she venomously told him to get out of her way.
Riker was too busy plowing Troi and playing the sax to do anything but nod his head when Picard gave the orders, he was a really bad XO.
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Yes but didn't they use a shapped negative Ion based inverse anti-tacyhyon beam that was pwered by the port nacelle through the secondary deflector dish on a rotating frequency?
That's the biggest problem with Berman style Star Trek. Too many of the plot solutions are ultimately solved through technobabble (deus ex machina) rather than good writing.
Everyone is also too smart on the show to be believable (unless they are Spock, Data, or genetically engineered Bashir).
It's so believable that goofy frat-boy ex-con Tom Paris also happens to be a genius warp engineer and becomes the first one to create working trans-warp instead of some nerd yellowshirt down in stellar cartography or something...
Best of Both Worlds Part I is far superior to Part II. Also by saving Picard and having him back in the Ent-D it left Riker's character in a state of arrested development.
IIRC, Stewart's contract was up soon and the writers wrote Part I without even thinking about Part II yet. The cliffhanger was real and not plotted out to end that way so they could have had the possibility of Picard gone and Riker as Captain.
That's the biggest problem with Berman style Star Trek. Too many of the plot solutions are ultimately solved through technobabble (deus ex machina) rather than good writing.
Everyone is also too smart on the show to be believable (unless they are Spock, Data, or genetically engineered Bashir).
It's so believable that goofy frat-boy ex-con Tom Paris also happens to be a genius warp engineer and becomes the first one to create working trans-warp instead of some nerd yellowshirt down in stellar cartography or something...
The best part of generations was when Kirk was on the bridge of the Enterprise D
The Captain - "Why don't we extend our shields around those disabled ships"
Kirk rolls his eyes
The Captain - "Ok why don't we do some thingy magige with the whatyou macallit and fire it through the blazamatrixs
Kirk vomits in his hands
Kirk - "Get out of my way stupid"
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IIRC, Stewart's contract was up soon and the writers wrote Part I without even thinking about Part II yet. The cliffhanger was real and not plotted out to end that way so they could have had the possibility of Picard gone and Riker as Captain.
I know. And Micheal Pillar didn't expect to be back for Season Four so that is why he basically wrote in a way that he didn't care how it got solved. Then he came back and had to beat the Borg.
You seriously think I didn't know that? For shame.
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