The Bizarre Case Of The Kingston Honour Killing

[darklord700]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Have you ever been to a federal penitentiary in Canada?

This is not possible.

Never had the pleasure of going to a jail but I would envision any jail in Canada is Club Meb compares to those in Afghanistan.

From what the three convicted murders said after the trail, it's obvious they don't think what they did was murders. I can only hope they truely maintain this position forever so that they don't get easy parole after 25 years.

“We are not criminal,” Shafia said, in a loud and clear voice. He spoke in his native Dari and his words were interpreted. “We are not murderers. We didn’t commit the murder and this is unjust.”
Yahya also said the decision was unjust.
“I’m not a murderer and I’m a mother,” she said.
“Sir, I did not drown my sisters anywhere,” Hamed said in English.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

Interesting. I did not know that expecting people who immigrate from other countries to respect our Canadian Laws was considered "Xenophobia."

It isn't. Inventing imaginary menaces like "shariah law-sponsored infanticide coming to Canada" is, however, xenophobia.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by darklord700

Never had the pleasure of going to a jail but I would envision any jail in Canada is Club Meb compares to those in Afghanistan.

Indeed. Are you suggesting that we should have Afghan-style prisons in Canada (not suggesting this is what you are saying, but I'm not sure I understand your point)?

Originally Posted by darklord700

From what the three convicted murders said after the trail, it's obvious they don't think what they did was murders. I can only hope they truely maintain this position forever so that they don't get easy parole after 25 years.

“We are not criminal,” Shafia said, in a loud and clear voice. He spoke in his native Dari and his words were interpreted. “We are not murderers. We didn’t commit the murder and this is unjust.”
Yahya also said the decision was unjust.
“I’m not a murderer and I’m a mother,” she said.
“Sir, I did not drown my sisters anywhere,” Hamed said in English.

The defence theory at trial was that the children had stolen the family car and taken it out on a joyride, where they accidentally drove the car into the canal. They deny committing the acts. They have never said "yes, we killed them but they deserved it." That was the Crown's theory.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Makarov

It isn't. Inventing imaginary menaces like "shariah law-sponsored infanticide coming to Canada" is, however, xenophobia.

Can you provide my exact quote as to where I mentioned that "Sharia Law- sponsored infanticide is coming to Canada?"

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Makarov

The defence theory at trial was that the children had stolen the family car and taken it out on a joyride, where they accidentally drove the car into the canal. They deny committing the acts. They have never said "yes, we killed them but they deserved it." That was the Crown's theory.

So it's just common practice for a father to describe his dead daughters "whores" in every conversation with his wife? Right Makarov, not suspect in the least bit...

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Any 2 parties in a civil case can agree to settle their case by the tenants of sharia law if they wish, the problem only comes in when the losing party decides it doesn't like sharia law after all (because they got screwed) and so wants to go to regular court.

Personally I think Canada should restrict immigration to the non profoudly religeous, whether they be muslim, morman Jewish or Sihk, they are all a pain in the arse that don't really fit in to our society that well.

Kinda goes against everything this country was founded on and agrees with.

But them dudes from Jamaica seem to be causing problems maybe we need to start restricting based on nationality.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Personally I think Canada should restrict immigration to the non profoudly religeous, whether they be muslim, morman Jewish or Sihk, they are all a pain in the arse that don't really fit in to our society that well.

What about the non religious pain in the asses that don't fit into society well? They are allowed?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

Can you provide my exact quote as to where I mentioned that "Sharia Law- sponsored infanticide is coming to Canada?"

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

The parents killed their daughters in some warped interpretation of Sharia Law. regardless of what one may think of Sharia Law, it has no place in Canadian society.

Voila.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

So it's just common practice for a father to describe his dead daughters "whores" in every conversation with his wife? Right Makarov, not suspect in the least bit...

I'm not sure what you're saying here? The Shafias were found guilty and, on that basis, I completely believe that they were psychotic monsters who murdered their children. I was merely pointing out that the quote you cited did not support your claim that they believe that killing their daughters was not murder. Now, perhaps they do not believe what they did was murder, but the quote you cited does not suggest that.

[CaptainCrunch]

Is it really an interpretation of Sharia Law?

Is it really supported by the tenants of Islam itself?

Of is it a twisted interpretation of Tribal beliefs twisted into religious thoughts by people that don't actually understand their own religion.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Indeed. Are you suggesting that we should have Afghan-style prisons in Canada (not suggesting this is what you are saying, but I'm not sure I understand your point)?



The defence theory at trial was that the children had stolen the family car and taken it out on a joyride, where they accidentally drove the car into the canal. They deny committing the acts. They have never said "yes, we killed them but they deserved it." That was the Crown's theory.

Yup but that defence theory was thwarted when it was discovered that it's hard to accidently drive a car into the canal with the ignition off.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Yup but that defence theory was thwarted when it was discovered that it's hard to accidently drive a car into the canal with the ignition off.

Totally agree. See my explanation above.

[CaptainCrunch]

And tough not to escape when your not wearing your seat belts and except for minor bruising there was no evidence of trauma that they were injured in the car accident to the point where they couldn't escape.

I'm guessing that the old man and the brother and maybe the mother chased them to the canal pulled them out of the car drowned them in the canal and then chucked em back in the car.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Voila.

You have to be kidding me.

Let me repeat my question:

"Can you provide my exact quote as to where I mentioned that "Sharia Law- sponsored infanticide is coming to Canada?"

I said Sharia Law has no place in Canadian society. There is a big difference in statements, in case you cannot comprehend that. Additionally, do you always throw around labels like "Xenophobia" so loosely?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

You are reading way too much into my statement. Do you dispute this was a so-called "honor killing?" I have nothing whatsoever against immigrants if they contribute positively to Canadian society. However, if they violate or have no respect for our laws, they should be deported.

I'm not reading anything more into your statement than what you wrote. You went off talking about Sharia Law as if this case somehow has something to do with it, when it doesn't. No one has said they should be allowed to kill their family members based on Sharia Law. The Shafias didn't try to defend themselves by quoting Sharia Law. Honour killings aren't even part of any Sharia Law systems in foreign nations.

I'm still not sure what you were attempting to get at.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

You have to be kidding me.

Let me repeat my question:

"Can you provide my exact quote as to where I mentioned that "Sharia Law- sponsored infanticide is coming to Canada?"

I said Sharia Law has no place in Canadian society. There is a big difference in statements, in case you cannot comprehend that. Additionally, do you always throw around labels like "Xenophobia" so loosely?

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I'm not reading anything more into your statement than what you wrote. You went off talking about Sharia Law as if this case somehow has something to do with it, when it doesn't. No one has said they should be allowed to kill their family members based on Sharia Law. The Shafias didn't try to defend themselves by quoting Sharia Law. Honour killings aren't even part of any Sharia Law systems in foreign nations.

I'm still not sure what you were attempting to get at.

You'll note that HPLovecraft has explained the point exactly. Your comment was not rationally connected to the matter being discussed. Therefore, we are left to conclude that it was motivated by something irrational. Considering the facts of this case, the only reasonable conclusion is that your comments were motivated by an irrational fear of Afghan or Muslim culture. This is the definition of xenophobia.

Unless you have some other explanation?

[Just to be clear, I'm certainly not suggesting that you're racist or a bad person.]

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

You have to be kidding me.

Let me repeat my question:

"Can you provide my exact quote as to where I mentioned that "Sharia Law- sponsored infanticide is coming to Canada?"

I said Sharia Law has no place in Canadian society. There is a big difference in statements, in case you cannot comprehend that. Additionally, do you always throw around labels like "Xenophobia" so loosely?

Maybe this needs to be put to you in more straightforward terms. Nothing about this case involved Sharia law. Not one single thing.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by grizz29

Sounds totally normal - not sure what everyone is up in arms about. Another example of how peaceful this religion is.

Right, because we've certainly never seen people killed in the name of Christianity

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

You have to be kidding me.

Let me repeat my question:

"Can you provide my exact quote as to where I mentioned that "Sharia Law- sponsored infanticide is coming to Canada?"

I said Sharia Law has no place in Canadian society. There is a big difference in statements, in case you cannot comprehend that. Additionally, do you always throw around labels like "Xenophobia" so loosely?

I will admit that infanticide was definitely not the term I was looking for. None of the victims were infants. Whoops.

[sclitheroe]

From the CBC's online article on this:

It also included seemingly damning wiretaps of the accused discussing the state of the Kingston Locks at night, making disparaging remarks about the women and, in Mohammad Shafia’s case, remarks about the value of family honour.

Were authorities tracking this guy prior to the crime? Where did the wiretaps come from?