Calgary woman brutally assaulted in Mexican resort

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Either that or she stumbled onto some sort of situation which caused her to get beat up, maybe some sort of illegal activity.

It would be unlikly if their is blood leading back to the corridor in the vicinity of the room as some have posted, if this is the case then there isn't a thing to suggest anything other than the husband.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't think there are any sites that come close to Chichen Itza elsewhere in Mexico, at least in terms of Mayan sites.

My point is that there is plenty more to the Caribbean side of Mexico than the nightlife, and really the nightlife isn't all that crazy outside of Cancun AFAIK.

I guess my idea of a vacation isn't about how many things I can do in a short time... and I hate "in the way" people. I prefer to immerse myself into the culture. The whole Mayan Riviera area reminds me so much of being in any large North American city. It's like being in L.A. or some other metropolis.

You're right though, there is more stuff to do on the Cancun side... you can even go to Wal-Mart! And while Chitzen Itza is nice, it has been restored so much that it is practically new and access is limited (can you even climb it anymore?) There are still plenty of pre-colonial ruins on the west side that are more authentic, and IMO, the Spanish colonial towns are a lot more impressive on the west side.

[Lt.Spears]

I dont get the hate for Mexico.

Im going there to sit on a Beach and enjoy the sun, walk around and drink some beer. Why would i spend an extra $1000+ for the same thing somewhere else?

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by DementedReality

sorry this is off topic now, but really?

i dunno, maybe my idea of taking my wife to a resort is more carnal than others? i am not going to bed by myself because of a long flight, lol and a couple wobbly pops.

especially if my wife is also drinking, thats the time to g e t i t o n.

this has nothing to do with framing the husband as the attacker or not, just that i dont imagine some 30 something guy decided he was tired and went to bed without his wife on the first night of a Mexican vacation.

Oh for sure, that's half the point of those trips with the old lady. But wasn't the attack in the wee hours of the morning, and it said they had already been there for 6hrs? You'd think they would've already been on the job before they went down to the bar, probably while getting ready. Maybe I'm just a sleepier man than yourself, but after all that and a few drinks I could see me not making it way past midnight day 1.

Anyways back to the OP, family of victim insisting husband is innocent.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...k.html?cmp=rss

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

I dont get the hate for Mexico.

Im going there to sit on a Beach and enjoy the sun, walk around and drink some beer. Why would i spend an extra $1000+ for the same thing somewhere else?

Maybe it has something to do with the government of Mexico blaming tourists for crimes committed in Mexico in order to save face for its tourism industry.

Maybe it has something to do with the massive drug and gang war, rampant corruption and sub standard building codes.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I guess my idea of a vacation isn't about how many things I can do in a short time... and I hate "in the way" people. I prefer to immerse myself into the culture. The whole Mayan Riviera area reminds me so much of being in any large North American city. It's like being in L.A. or some other metropolis.

You're right though, there is more stuff to do on the Cancun side... you can even go to Wal-Mart! And while Chitzen Itza is nice, it has been restored so much that it is practically new and access is limited (can you even climb it anymore?) There are still plenty of pre-colonial ruins on the west side that are more authentic, and IMO, the Spanish colonial towns are a lot more impressive on the west side.

Orrrr, you could do something like this:

http://nymag.com/travel/weekends/tulum/

The point being that the area is what you make of it.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by valo403

Asshattish? While I do enjoy your new word I'm not really sure how my responses in this thread fit that description. I'm sure I have plenty of asshattish posts, but this thread? Nah.

Ok, fair enough. I enjoyed his posts and thought they were at least a little tongue in cheek and therefore not to be taken too seriously that's all.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

I dont get the hate for Mexico.

Im going there to sit on a Beach and enjoy the sun, walk around and drink some beer. Why would i spend an extra $1000+ for the same thing somewhere else?

I think it's so you can tell people you did?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

I dont get the hate for Mexico.

Im going there to sit on a Beach and enjoy the sun, walk around and drink some beer. Why would i spend an extra $1000+ for the same thing somewhere else?

I've been waiting to chime in for a while on this. Most people who are anti-Mexico provide hilarious reasons like the one a few posts back from IliketoPuck. He's certainly entitled to his opinion and I'm not saying he needs to travel to Mexico more, but that doesn't make that opinion any less ridiculous.

I recently went to Puerto Vallarta for a week. First time I'd been to Mexico.

Everything was fine, it seemed safe, the people were insanely friendly. More friendly than any resort or vacation destination I've ever been to. That goes for locals in the town to the bartenders at our resort.

I've had numerous members of my immediate and extended go to Mexico on many occasions. Puerto, Mazatlan, Cancun etc. Virtually no bad experiences. This is coming from a family who had one of its own killed in Cancun. My aunt died in a bus crash (driver at fault) in the early 90s in Mexico. That has not stopped my family from travelling there or telling hilarious boogey man stories about Mexico.


I have a few theories on why people hate Mexico, some more relevant and believable than others I'm sure.

1. Everyone goes there. For some people the popular destinations suck. I know many, many people who HATE Hawaii, Mexico, Vegas for this very reason. They don't want the places where everyone they know goes. They like going to more "exotic" locations. Even if there is no tangible advantage it is worth it for them to stand out and not go the same all-inclusive that everyone they know went to.

2. It makes them feel better about the other ####holes that they choose. I honestly have been lol'ing at the people who have claimed they prefer other destinations like Costa Rica and Jamaica. Most common response is "well at least it is better than Mexico". Whatever you need to tell yourself buddy. If that's how you rationalize spending more then go for it.

3. They think that travelling to the cookie cutter Mexican resort is for cheap people. This one I dealt with most often when I said I was going to Mexico.

Commone responses:
"Why would you want to go to some dirty ass 3rd world country?"

"ppfft. It may cost $xxxx.xx more but I much prefer country x. Way nicer than that dump".

This one I think stems from simple dick waving. Where you travel is a status symbol. The 1%ers don't go to places like Mexico. Even if it is the EXACT same experience as some other country, the fact that country x costs more.

I was there for a week drinking and reading by the pool. I can't imagine why I'd need to spend anything more than that to get the exact same experience.

I swear to god I had someone tell me that they'd have gone to Europe if they were in my shoes. ####ING EUROPE. That's right, the place where my flight alone is twice as much as the whole effing vacation to Mexico.


Moral of the story? Who gives a #### where other people vacation. It's none of your business and just makes you look like a condescending dbag to tell people where they should or shouldn't go.

I wouldn't hesitate for a single second to go to Mexico again and I actually feel kinda sorry for anyone who believes that it is some lawless jungle of corruption and drug lords. That's like never visiting Canada because you heard the lower east side is ghetto in Vancouver. It's completely asinine is what it is.


IN somewhat of a response to Pylon's posts from earlier. I find it incredible that you hate Mexico so much and are willing to go to one of the least cultured places on earth, Vegas.

The same "I'd only ever travel to Europe because everything there is superior" jerkoffs that gave me #### about going to Mexico, also gave me #### about liking Vegas. It has no culture, it's full of fat slobs, it's full of fat slob Americans, all Americans are fat slobs etc etc.

[Day Tripper]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

It would be unlikly if their is blood leading back to the corridor in the vicinity of the room as some have posted, if this is the case then there isn't a thing to suggest anything other than the husband.

Must have been Eugene Victor Tooms, if not the husband.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I've been waiting to chime in for a while on this. Most people who are anti-Mexico provide hilarious reasons like the one a few posts back from IliketoPuck. He's certainly entitled to his opinion and I'm not saying he needs to travel to Mexico more, but that doesn't make that opinion any less ridiculous.

I recently went to Puerto Vallarta for a week. First time I'd been to Mexico.

Everything was fine, it seemed safe, the people were insanely friendly. More friendly than any resort or vacation destination I've ever been to. That goes for locals in the town to the bartenders at our resort.

I've had numerous members of my immediate and extended go to Mexico on many occasions. Puerto, Mazatlan, Cancun etc. Virtually no bad experiences. This is coming from a family who had one of its own killed in Cancun. My aunt died in a bus crash (driver at fault) in the early 90s in Mexico. That has not stopped my family from travelling there or telling hilarious boogey man stories about Mexico.


I have a few theories on why people hate Mexico, some more relevant and believable than others I'm sure.

1. Everyone goes there. For some people the popular destinations suck. I know many, many people who HATE Hawaii, Mexico, Vegas for this very reason. They don't want the places where everyone they know goes. They like going to more "exotic" locations. Even if there is no tangible advantage it is worth it for them to stand out and not go the same all-inclusive that everyone they know went to.

2. It makes them feel better about the other ####holes that they choose. I honestly have been lol'ing at the people who have claimed they prefer other destinations like Costa Rica and Jamaica. Most common response is "well at least it is better than Mexico". Whatever you need to tell yourself buddy. If that's how you rationalize spending more then go for it.

3. They think that travelling to the cookie cutter Mexican resort is for cheap people. This one I dealt with most often when I said I was going to Mexico.

Commone responses:
"Why would you want to go to some dirty ass 3rd world country?"

"ppfft. It may cost $xxxx.xx more but I much prefer country x. Way nicer than that dump".

This one I think stems from simple dick waving. Where you travel is a status symbol. The 1%ers don't go to places like Mexico. Even if it is the EXACT same experience as some other country, the fact that country x costs more.

I was there for a week drinking and reading by the pool. I can't imagine why I'd need to spend anything more than that to get the exact same experience.

I swear to god I had someone tell me that they'd have gone to Europe if they were in my shoes. ####ING EUROPE. That's right, the place where my flight alone is twice as much as the whole effing vacation to Mexico.


Moral of the story? Who gives a #### where other people vacation. It's none of your business and just makes you look like a condescending dbag to tell people where they should or shouldn't go.

I wouldn't hesitate for a single second to go to Mexico again and I actually feel kinda sorry for anyone who believes that it is some lawless jungle of corruption and drug lords. That's like never visiting Canada because you heard the lower east side is ghetto in Vancouver. It's completely asinine is what it is.


IN somewhat of a response to Pylon's posts from earlier. I find it incredible that you hate Mexico so much and are willing to go to one of the least cultured places on earth, Vegas.

The same "I'd only ever travel to Europe because everything there is superior" jerkoffs that gave me #### about going to Mexico, also gave me #### about liking Vegas. It has no culture, it's full of fat slobs, it's full of fat slob Americans, all Americans are fat slobs etc etc.

I enjoy it when you Flip out

[Flashpoint]

This is what happens when you don't tip.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by valo403

I enjoy it when you Flip out

Thanks, I guess.

To be fair, I didn't insult anyone and with the exception of referencing a couple of posts I was careful not to crap all over stuff people have said in this thread. All of my examples were based mostly on interactions I've had with friends.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by valo403

Orrrr, you could do something like this:

http://nymag.com/travel/weekends/tulum/

The point being that the area is what you make of it.

True enough.

It's also worth mentioning though that the weather is slightly better on the southern Pacific coast. The Mayan Riviera can get very windy and temperatures in the low 20s are not uncommon in the winter. The air temperatures are also a lot warmer on the south Pacific side (average of 3-4C warmer in the winter).

http://www.holiday-weather.com/cancun/averages/

http://www.holiday-weather.com/huatulco/averages/

[Aeneas]

Though I'd much rather go to Europe, so I am one of Cecils snobs, I have been to Mexico several times. With a young family you really cannot beat the combination of sun, sand and cheaper.

Enjoyed the Pacific side more than Caribbean, but that was mostly due to the perfect place we stayed in PV. People were super in PV, found them less friendly in Cancun; but still very nice.

Am returning to Cancun in a short while, have few reservations regarding safety. Stick to the resort, etc. Have no problems dealing with the locals, have had no experience with the police and hope to keep it that way.

It's the drunk Canadians that are the problem.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

snip

Best post of the thread ans sums up my thoughts exactly.

It's kind of amusing reading people post "I'd never go to Mexico because it's unsafe". That is simply BS and the media isn't helping by having these big headlines painting all of Mexico with the same brush.

The amount of people that go to Mexico and have a great time far outweigh the amount who go and come back with a horror story. And most of these horror stories are because the tourists went somewhere they weren't supposed to either out of ignorance or stupidity.

Stay on your resort and you will be fine unless some crazed guy attacks you while you're on an elevator.

Sorta like being on a Greyhound and expecting to be fine unless a crazed guy beheads you.

This crap happens everywhere.

[Coys1882]

My folks have a beachhouse in Los Barillios;they love it there and the locals are fantastic. No cartel decapitations yet!!

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

I dont get the hate for Mexico.

Im going there to sit on a Beach and enjoy the sun, walk around and drink some beer. Why would i spend an extra $1000+ for the same thing somewhere else?

I don't get the hate for Forest Lawn.

I reside here to sit in my living room enjoying the Flames game, run on my treadmill, and brew a pot of coffee. Why would I spend $150,000 for the same type of house somewhere else?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by puckluck

It's kind of amusing reading people post "I'd never go to Mexico because it's unsafe". That is simply BS and the media isn't helping by having these big headlines painting all of Mexico with the same brush.

I can't help but think you're referencing me and a couple of others in previous posts. That said, it's personal preference - Mexico has been more "unsafe" in the last five years than any other point in time I can remember. And to say it's simply "safe" is also BS. Mexico is not Japan, Switzerland, or any other relatively "safe" country. People should be aware of that, because it's the "head in the sand" syndrome that leads to bad fortune. Street smarts are essential in just about any place you go.

No one is saying you're going to get shot at a resort just for showing up; but the country's track record is taking a pounding lately, especially since incidents are happening at these resorts. On top of that, it's not just the crime, it's also safety issues in general - that hotel that had that explosion last year is one such incident, and numerous incidences at beaches (both in the media and ones I've seen with my own eyes) are frequent. I'm sure its a combination of human idiocy and hotel procedures, but they do add up. I've also been sick twice at four-star resorts in Mexico from the food, so I have a general distrust going down there.

95 out of a 100 times Mexico is usually safe. But believe it or not, people will not go there because of the safety issue - including some CP'ers like myself.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I can't help but think you're referencing me and a couple of others in previous posts. That said, it's personal preference - Mexico has been more "unsafe" in the last five years than any other point in time I can remember. And to say it's simply "safe" is also BS. Mexico is not Japan, Switzerland, or any other relatively "safe" country. People should be aware of that, because it's the "head in the sand" syndrome that leads to bad fortune. Street smarts are essential in just about any place you go.

No one is saying you're going to get shot at a resort just for showing up; but the country's track record is taking a pounding lately, especially since incidents are happening at these resorts. On top of that, it's not just the crime, it's also safety issues in general - that hotel that had that explosion last year is one such incident, and numerous incidences at beaches (both in the media and ones I've seen with my own eyes) are frequent. I'm sure its a combination of human idiocy and hotel procedures, but they do add up. I've also been sick twice at four-star resorts in Mexico from the food, so I have a general distrust going down there.

95 out of a 100 times Mexico is usually safe. But believe it or not, people will not go there because of the safety issue - including some CP'ers like myself.

95 out of a 100 times anywhere you go is usually safe.