Calgary woman brutally assaulted in Mexican resort

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I'm just basing my opinion on what has been made available. If it comes out that she was SA'd then, obviously, it's a completely different situation.

The interwebz would be very boring if the only posts one could make were "well, I don't know enough to have an opinion.... also, thoughts & prayers." Typically, the media reports it if there was a SA - they haven't. So, my opinion is based on what has come out so far - a brutal facial beating. If the facts change dramatically, so will my opinion.

I would normally agree with you, but I honestly think the fact that these two individuals are Calgarians calls for a little easing of our accusations. Call me a bleeding heart, but we already know that one CP member, possibly more, are friends with the victim, and I find it a little jerkish on our part (Ive been guilty too) to be making wild accusations based on very little evidence.

More importantly than that, these two are Canadian citizens and why the hell should we give the benefit of the doubt to anyone but them? Call that an ugly spin-off of the American sense of patriotism, I dont care. Even if we find out that you are correct and the husband is guilty, will things really be drastically affected because we decided to lay off the "he's obviously guilty" rhetoric? On the other hand, if it is clearly determined that the husband is innocent and the couple comes home to find out every forum in their city, which seems to be the case, had the nerve to label the husband as being the guilty party, Im guessing there might be grounds for some serious resentment...

Once again, call me a bleeding heart . Whatever- might take some heat for this.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by valo403

It's sort of beyond not knowing enough to have an opinion, you don't know anything, and yet you're waging a pretty extensive campaign here. It would be one thing if it was a one of post on the statistics of who is responsible in cases like this, but it's been a bit more than that. You've pretty much come to a conclusion based on stats that you haven't even cited.

No campaign. Just a string of responses to responses to my initial opinion. Like this one. Plus, the whole "ooo, those third world savages attacking poor tourists" line of responses bugged me, so I just pointed out that you should look closer to home first before blaming the "dirty Mexicans".

Look, I know how the media usually reports this - "...woman brutally beaten and sexually assaulted..." or "...tourist brutally assaulted and robbed..." The fact that all that has been reported is "... woman brutally beaten..." leads me in a certain direction. Sometimes what is not reported is just as important as what is. This is not a court of law, just an internet forum, and I just stated my opinion based on the (limited) facts. As I said above, the only reason I posted initially is because I didn't like the "Mexican savages" responses.

[Hockeyguy15]

Hmmmmm.....

[Coys1882]

One of the symptoms of a massive trauma to the head and loss of consciousness is loss of memory. I've been on the wrong end of such an event and I have no memory of what happened to me when I woke up.

My money's on the husband and she doesn't remember him doing it.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

No campaign. Just a string of responses to responses to my initial opinion. Like this one. Plus, the whole "ooo, those third world savages attacking poor tourists" line of responses bugged me, so I just pointed out that you should look closer to home first before blaming the "dirty Mexicans".

Look, I know how the media usually reports this - "...woman brutally beaten and sexually assaulted..." or "...tourist brutally assaulted and robbed..." The fact that all that has been reported is "... woman brutally beaten..." leads me in a certain direction. Sometimes what is not reported is just as important as what is. This is not a court of law, just an internet forum, and I just stated my opinion based on the (limited) facts. As I said above, the only reason I posted initially is because I didn't like the "Mexican savages" responses.

Except this happened in Mexico, not exactly a place where local reporters are known for investigating an incident involving foreign tourists or where the police are known for doing it for that matter.

The "mexican savages" responses were stupid, and yours are exactly the same to the opposite extreme. Both completely baseless and seemingly proud of that fact.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by valo403

Except this happened in Mexico, not exactly a place where local reporters are known for investigating an incident involving foreign tourists or where the police are known for doing it for that matter.

The "mexican savages" responses were stupid, and yours are exactly the same to the opposite extreme. Both completely baseless and seemingly proud of that fact.

You have a tendency to get a little too emotionally wrapped up in these debates. I am not at all, so I will stop here, and say "I have my opinion, and we'll see what happens if/when relevant facts come out".

[valo403]

I'm not sure what gives you the impression that I'm emotionally involved, I can assure you I'm not. I just find it to be a pretty sleazy approach, just as I did with the "mexican savages" types of posts.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

It's not similar if they were off the resort at the time.

and what kind of idiots don't have travel insurance when travelling to Mexico or the US?

Ummmm, no one involved in either of these stories? Did you read the article or just skim and look at random words?

The couple did have insurance, which covered the cost of Scott's care but did not deter the bill collectors.

In the end, the couple was charged $4,700 for care at the first clinic and a hospital bill of $45,000. The couple believe the charges from the first clinic amount to fraud. Sarah said she never signed a credit card slip.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by valo403

I'm not sure what gives you the impression that I'm emotionally involved, I can assure you I'm not. I just find it to be a pretty sleazy approach, just as I did with the "mexican savages" types of posts.

I just notice that when you get involved in debates on here, you tend to get pretty heated/hostile after a while. As I don't really care whether I am right or wrong in this case, I don't want to get into a debate - the only point I ever wanted to make is that the "domestic" explanation is usually closer to the truth. Not sure how either opinion is "sleazy".

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

As I don't really care whether I am right or wrong in this case, I don't want to get into a debate

Then why do you insist that you must always get the last word? You have made your opinion known- we get it. However by continually making sure that you get the last word in; you are in fact turning this into a debate.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Then why do you insist that you must always get the last word? You have made your opinion known- we get it. However by continually making sure that you get the last word in; you are in fact turning this into a debate.

Should I reply to this? I just thought it was normal to respond to direct questions. I find this particular subject interesting, but I have no vested interest in being right or wrong. Maybe it is inappropriate of me to voice my opinion because these people are from "here" - I can see the validity of that argument.

[Hockeyguy15]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...2313883/page1/

Another article about personal safety in Mexico

[wookster]

Originally Posted by Pizza

For those who are defending traveling to Mexico with 1 in a million stats, I'd like to know if the stats are worse at other Caribbean tourist areas like Cuba or DR

Stats can be misleading because they can be manipulated to show what the presenter wants them to show. For instance, the link below shows the murder rates, by country, per 100,000 inhabitants. If you check out those numbers, Mexico doesn't even crack the top 10...it is actually 20th and with a lower rate than some of those other great vacation spots like the Dominican Republic, Jamaica, and the Bahamas. I don't work for the Mexico Tourism Board so I don't really care where anyone vacations, but its naive to say that, with the possible exception of Cuba, any of the Carribean Islands are a whole lot safer or worse than Mexico. I have been to Mexico a few times, the Dominican, Cuba, and Jamaica, and have gone off the resorts at all these places. The only place where I was a little worried at all was Jamaica.

Its been mentioned before but it really is true...you do get what you pay for...if security in any of these countries is concern, go somewhere else. Another thing I think we take for granted is the fact that the majority of us posting on this board come from Canada, one of the safest countries in the world, and Calgary, one of the safest cities in Canada. So anytime we leave our country and go to an area considered part of the "developing world" (I believe we aren't allowed to say 3rd world anymore) you are taking a bit of a risk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by DementedReality

really?

ahh, most red blooded males (especially mid/late 30's age) arent turning in for the night when their SO is party drinking at a resort on the first night of vacation, if you know what i mean.

i am not commenting on whether he did or didnt try to kill her, but i find it hard to believe a scenario where a guy is going to go to bed *on his own* the first night of vacation and leave his wife drinking in the bar.

Why not, I'm almost 10 years younger than that and I could see me doing it haha. Especially after a long flight and a couple sodas at the lounge. And I don't mean leaving her at some crazy shaker, just the relaxed resort pool bar or whatever they have there. Pretty much resembles the mood of a lounge (at least the one I was at). The girl and I aren't even really social (in terms of meeting new people on vacation) and we met and drank with people a few times in Cuba at the resort. It just happens. Maybe they did that, he decided to turn in, and she stayed with the other people for an hour or so longer.

Again, not saying this is what I think happened, and I agree that the element of something seeming off about the whole situation is certainly there. Just speculating, trying to keep an open mind instead of just damning the husband. Hopefully we'll find out soon enough what happened, now that she's awake.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by valo403

I'm not sure what gives you the impression that I'm emotionally involved, I can assure you I'm not. I just find it to be a pretty sleazy approach, just as I did with the "mexican savages" types of posts.

Maybe because your responses in this thread are very asshattish and asshats tend to get emotionally involved in things. You can see where he might have come to that conclusion right?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Maybe because your responses in this thread are very asshattish and asshats tend to get emotionally involved in things. You can see where he might have come to that conclusion right?

Asshattish? While I do enjoy your new word I'm not really sure how my responses in this thread fit that description. I'm sure I have plenty of asshattish posts, but this thread? Nah.

[justkidding]

http://www.globaltvcalgary.com/mexic...001/story.html

Mexican Governor says it was "Domestic Violence". What does that mean?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by justkidding

http://www.globaltvcalgary.com/mexic...001/story.html

Mexican Governor says it was "Domestic Violence". What does that mean?

Husband. Of course, to be fair, it's in the Governor's interest to present the resort as "safe" so as not to affect the tourism industry. Therefore, take it with a grain of salt, though, given that the cops answer to him, he may have access to supporting evidence...

[getbak]

Originally Posted by justkidding

Mexican Governor says it was "Domestic Violence". What does that mean?

That means they think her husband did it.

[afc wimbledon]

I think there should be a big warning label etched onto the front of every computor screen stating clearly

Dont take anything you see here too seriously!

This is, after all a talkboard, the whole point of which is for reletively uninformed and illiterate individuals (like myself) to sound like we know a hell of alot more than we really do, it also gives the mentally challanged something to do now that basket weaving has fallen out of favour.