Calgary woman brutally assaulted in Mexican resort

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I have to agree with Vlad... if you look at the circumstances of the crime, if you're not immediately suspecting the husband, you're not doing it right.

Last minute vacation, weak alibi, nonsensical attack (centered on the face no less... that's pretty telling in many cases), leading AWAY from the room, not towards (if a woman was being attacked by a strange man, wouldn't she try to get to her husband?), so far no discussion on if there was any sexual assault. Has domestic all over it. The sequence of events just doesn't fit a local or a druglord-induced attack to send a message. But of course, this is conjecture based on what little has been released to the public.

Naturally, people assume it must be the "lawless, savage Mexicans." In my experiences in that country, I've found the biggest issue with Mexico is that its low price point, proximity to home, and language barrier attracts and exposes the non-sophisticated vacationer. It also attracts people looking to "cut loose" and do things they wouldn't do at home because they feel there are no consequences there cause its an "inferior nation" to Canada/US.

Of course...in the case of that mobbed up Montreal couple who were killed, a place where the guard was down enough for a hit to take place.

Originally Posted by Thunderball

To me its because he wasn't rational. Heat of passion, loss of control, the classic "whoosh" sensation automatism response, that old thing.

I figure if it was a drug deal gone wrong, or a guy with a mind to commit murder lurking loose in a resort, they'd have taken the time to carry something like a knife or gun.

Either way, its pretty sad stuff.

The top post sounds like he planned a whole trip around a killing yet in your second post you attempt to cover up the flaws Ken pointed out by saying it was done in the "heat of passion".

You can't have it both ways.

Until she wakes up we won't know what happened.

[Travis Munroe]

I was in Peurta Vallarta Mexico maybe 6 months ago. My girlfriend and I + another buddy and his gf, and a 5th wheel + 2 american brothers were on our way back from one of the night club tours in 2 separate cabs. Our cab (me girlfriend and I + the 5th wheel) went straight to the resort while they stopped for smokes. Shortly after we got back their cab showed up with 1 of the brothers yelling at us to get money.
The other brother shattered the glass door of the convenience store(says he didnt slam it but had to of IMO). We jump back in the cab after grabbing some money and show up. At least 4 military vehicles with guns drawn and several cop cars all at the scene.
I cant be 100% but I recall $100 being the amount we needed to give this one millatary guy to let our other friends go. It was a easy decision but the funny thing was, after handing over the $100 only $20 was passed onto the store clerk while the rest was put in his own pocket. No paperwork or nothing.
Scary event none the less however it really was eye opening as to how different things are down there when you leave the resort.

Its tough to think of someone wandering around a 5 star resort early in the morning who is from the outside. These resorts are quite a hike to get to, typically a gate to go through if your driving, private secured beaches...I as well hope she recovers to tell the story although i would be willing to bet more on the drug possibility than the husband.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

The top post sounds like he planned a whole trip around a killing yet in your second post you attempt to cover up the flaws Ken pointed out by saying it was done in the "heat of passion".

You can't have it both ways.

Until she wakes up we won't know what happened.

Well, the more specific we get, the more speculative it gets... but essentially, I'm picturing not so much a planned murder, but a marriage on the rocks that hit the boiling point in Mexico. The last minute vacation is suspicious not simply because it could indicative of a plan for malice, but cause it could be indicative of a last minute attempt to fix things. I don't think it fits a planned out murder either. I think it fits that could easily be a lot of pent up rage.

In my first post, I note that the repeated blows to the face being indicative of a domestic. It reminded me of a couple cases I read back in criminal law.

But you're right, we won't know until then, if she even wakes up. I just don't see it as a random act of violence in a resort.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

Well, the more specific we get, the more speculative it gets... but essentially, I'm picturing not so much a planned murder, but a marriage on the rocks that hit the boiling point in Mexico. The last minute vacation is suspicious not simply because it could indicative of a plan for malice, but cause it could be indicative of a last minute attempt to fix things. I don't think it fits a planned out murder either. I think it fits that could easily be a lot of pent up rage.

In my first post, I note that the repeated blows to the face being indicative of a domestic. It reminded me of a couple cases I read back in criminal law.

But you're right, we won't know until then, if she even wakes up. I just don't see it as a random act of violence in a resort.

It could even be indicative of an awesome last-minute vacation deal!

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

This is why I exclusively vacation at places where the residents are physically less powerful than me. Ideal vacations can be had at retirement communitities and malnourished nations.

I'm the same. Been to the North Pole five times in the last seven years. Great people up there, them elves.

Stayin on-topic: I'll say that the girl was not necessarily taken from her room. She could have innocently (or not) left in the middle of the night to get ice or something not quite as kosher, for example and ran into some bad people. If you're a heavy sleeper, you don't necessarily know when someone has gotten out of your bed. Combine that with alcohol from a night of drinking and you're not always gonna wake up when someone leaves. Or is taken.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by zuluking

It could even be indicative of an awesome last-minute vacation deal!

Yep, or a late tax refund, or an inheritance cheque, or many number of things... its just a weird, depressing case that I just don't think we can write off as foul play by the locals just yet.

[afc wimbledon]

The reason it points to the husband is because it doesn't really point to anyone else, I don't see it as a drug deal gone wrong, they had just arrived, barely time to unpack let alone find a connection, and even in Mexico you don't kill a gringo over a few sticks of sensi, nor do you send the wife on her own to pick it up at 2am or the like.

There is also little reason for the wife to be wandering around at that time as well. My absoloute guess would be the wife stayed out later than the husband who was tired/drunk after the flight, she came back way too late and drunk and he lost it, then got scared crapless at the prospect of getting busted for beating his wife in Mexico and tried to hide the crime in a hurry.

I doubt we will ever know what happened, the Mexican authorities don't care, the husband will hire a local attorney who will pay off the appropriate people and he will be sent home.

[Flabbibulin]

Here's a little bit of info for Thunderball to throw into his wide range of theories-

The husbands twitter account handle is "theguy420". Pothead lookin for a little cron in mexico?

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Lt.Spears

I'm heading to Mexico next week, i actually saw the deal for this Riu resort when i booked my trip. Thankfully I'm going to the Riviera Maya which is pretty safe.

First thing i thought of was that this girl was going to buy drugs and deal went South.

Scary regardless.

We stayed there for two weeks last January; you'll enjoy it. Take the excursion to Chichenitza. It's long but well worth it.

When a woman is murdered in Canada, the first person they usually look at is the husband. I have to imagine that this woman's husband is a prime suspect, if the Mexican authorities even care or if they to their job. I have little faith in their ability to solve crimes and have intention of going back to that country, although we did have a great time and never felt at risk.

[YYC in LAX]

Security cameras in the elevator?

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by COGENT

I leave for Mexico on Thursday. My mother in-law phoned at 6:45 this morning to tell us about this story.

For the record I love my wife and I'm very white...

Establishing our defence in advance, are we?

[malcolmk14]

I'll be in Puerto Morelos in May for a wedding. Wonder if this incident will affect anyone's decision to go.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Here's a little bit of info for Thunderball to throw into his wide range of theories-

The husbands twitter account handle is "theguy420". Pothead lookin for a little cron in mexico?

Well, my last post was supposed to be a little tongue-in-cheek.

Statistically, in these circumstances, the perpetrator is someone close to the victim, like a husband or boyfriend. Makes a lot more sense than some random took her out when she's likely got her money in the room safe, and there's no discussion of sexual assault.

But sounds like she woke up, so we'll likely get some new info soon on her recollection.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by fotze

You would think his hands would be affected.

Look at us, so many murder mystery shows.

Looking at this from another viewpoint. Roughly 40% of murders that are not gang related are commited by a family or friend.

I find it really odd that a random person would attack a pretty women. Beat her face to the point "every bone was smashed in her face" Hospital Report. And have no apparent reason to do this.

Brutal attack In a hallway or elevator. What is the motive?
She was not raped (though reports are not disclosed about that).

If she left the room in the middle of the night like husband says. Would she not be like most people and take her room card.

So if the motive was robbery. Not take the room card key? It is extremely common for the actual crime be to rob the hotel room.

I see only 2 motives if this is a stranger. Robbery or Rape.
Randomly smashing a womens face in just doesn't add up. Logic would say whoever did this used an intense amount of rage.
I am not convinced she was attacked in a visable hallway either. Anyone that has been to a 5 star Mexican resort knows these are not some dingy lit hallways. I would bet my pesos that this happened in a hotel room.

As for hands being bruised and cut. Not if an object was used or stomped.

I hope the police investigate security tapes really thorough as well as the hotel room.
Mexican police though they have given me the creeps more than any hotel staff or citizens whenever we have gone to Mexico.

The best thing is that this poor lady has a full recovery and regains her memory of what the hell happened.
As for the husband i bet the people down there would rather it be him that did this or they have a straight up lunitac on the loose.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by malcolmk14

I'll be in Puerto Morelos in May for a wedding. Wonder if this incident will affect anyone's decision to go.

It shouldn't.

It'd be the equivalent of a beating/robbery in Thunder Bay affecting someone's decision to attend a wedding in Banff, minus the drug war and corrupt judicial system of course.

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

Well, my last post was supposed to be a little tongue-in-cheek.

Statistically, in these circumstances, the perpetrator is someone close to the victim, like a husband or boyfriend. Makes a lot more sense than some random took her out when she's likely got her money in the room safe, and there's no discussion of sexual assault.

But sounds like she woke up, so we'll likely get some new info soon on her recollection.

A guy in his late thirties referencing 420 in his twitter account says it all- probably got off the plane and couldnt go one night without gettin hooked up with some blunt. Since we all know potheads are lazy buggers, he probably sent his wife out in the hall to ask the first Mexican she saw (since we know they're all dealers) to hook them up with some lettuce. And things went bad...


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[malcolmk14]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

It shouldn't.

It'd be the equivalent of a beating/robbery in Thunder Bay affecting someone's decision to attend a wedding in Banff, minus the drug war and corrupt judicial system of course.

Oh, they're in Mazatlan. For some reason I thought they were in the Mayan Riviera.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The reason it points to the husband is because it doesn't really point to anyone else, I don't see it as a drug deal gone wrong, they had just arrived, barely time to unpack let alone find a connection, and even in Mexico you don't kill a gringo over a few sticks of sensi, nor do you send the wife on her own to pick it up at 2am or the like.

There is also little reason for the wife to be wandering around at that time as well. My absoloute guess would be the wife stayed out later than the husband who was tired/drunk after the flight, she came back way too late and drunk and he lost it, then got scared crapless at the prospect of getting busted for beating his wife in Mexico and tried to hide the crime in a hurry.

I doubt we will ever know what happened, the Mexican authorities don't care, the husband will hire a local attorney who will pay off the appropriate people and he will be sent home.

Or conversely, wife stayed out later and another guest took a liking to her and didn't take kindly to being shot down. Follows her up to her room and grabs her in the hallway, blocks her path to her room and then beats her in the hall/elevator that she attempts to crawl into.

I think the really telling piece of evidence will be the blood in the room part of the story, that puts the focus pretty intensely on the husband if confirmed.

Based on the info we have it would be possible to craft a story that puts the blame on almost anyone.

[Eagle Eye]

She is awake now

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...823/story.html

[Oliwa]

godammit im leaving for Mexico on Satrurday for a week.