Is college or University harder?

[calf]

Originally posted by BlackArcher101
Basically, with SAIT, you know what's right, and with University, you know why it's right.

Couldn't agree with this statement more.

[evman150]

I don't know about the rest of Canada, but here in BC colleges are a joke. Places like Camosun, Malaspina, Kwantlen etc are for the kids who are too dumb to get into UVic, UBC or SFU.

And college down in the states is even worse, or so I've heard. I was offered a full scholarship to a junior college in Texas for baseball (and contemplated it for quite a while before rejecting the offer) so I went and saw my high school career counsellor or whatever and asked her opinion. She said school down there is pretty much a joke unless you go to a very high level school. She said if baseball didn't turn out for me the classes I took there would be worthless here. Even if I were to go to a decent four year school and wanted to leave early the classes wouldn't count because they're just way too easy.

A friend of my sister's went to UCSB, a pretty good school by American standards I think. Now she is not a genius, nor is she particularily smart. She goes down there, all the kids around her are going crazy, swamped with work, in awe of how she is so "smart". She said the classes she was taking were pretty much grade 10 or 11 level.

School down there doesn't reach our first year level until third or fourth year I think.

Anyways, so definitely university > college. And Canada > US also.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I suppose it would depend on the intitution itself. Some university and/or college. Some colleges I'm sure give the same level of education as any good university, whereas some don't.

I don't know all the colleges around here (in Nova Scotia we have alot of both) but I know the universities are all about the same at the undergraduate level (graduating from Dal with your undergrad BA gives you about the same as your undergrad BA at St FX, or UCCB, or Acadia, or Mt A, or UNB, or UPEI, or MUN, or Kings, or MSV, or U de M, I think that's about it). It's the graduate level where things start to differ.

Out west... I dunno, but I wouldn't say ALL universities are better than ALL colleges. Depends on the institution.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

You know, it kinda bugs me when people say that most of the stuff they teach you at university is useless. In the case of options, yes, if you choose stupid ones they will be useless. As for all the "Useless" theory, think of it this way. You can teach a monkey how to use a typewriter, but that doesn't mean it'll be able to write a book. If all you're looking to do is connect point a to point b then sure, all you need is the practical. If you want to come up with creative solutions and be a little innovative then that Useless theory suddenly becomes important. The more you know, the more you can use, and the better off you'll be once you start your career.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm@Sep 16 2004, 05:01 AM
So let me get this straight, because your co-worker has to take an introductory math course you are going to base that on the entire school?

Pretty f'n stupid if you ask me.

I'm almost certain they do more advanced calculations in AMAT 217, AMAT 219, MATH 205, MATH 211, MATH 221, MATH 249, MATH 251, MATH 253, MATH 263, MATH 271, STAT 201, STAT 211, STAT 213, and STAT 217.

Yup, that pretty much covers the junior math courses in University. Care to tell me which one does the military time thing as well?

I've been down this beaten path before. The minute I put University higher than SAIT, all the SAIT students and alumni come calling me out as usual. I'm not surprised by your respone one bit.

[troutman]

U of C Engineering (1984): "troutman, you are an idiot - don't come back here for 2 years."

MRC General Studies (1985): "troutman, you are a genius - here is a big scholarship to go to the University of your choice".

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Ozy_Flame@Sep 17 2004, 11:28 AM
all the SAIT students and alumni come calling me out as usual. I'm not surprised by your respone one bit.

I don't go to SAIT, nor have I ever gone to SAIT. I just think its hilarious you based the entire College on one entry level prep math course.

[Reaper]

Originally posted by Ozy_Flame+Sep 17 2004, 11:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ozy_Flame @ Sep 17 2004, 11:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MrMastodonFarm@Sep 16 2004, 05:01 AM
So let me get this straight, because your co-worker has to take an introductory math course you are going to base that on the entire school?

Pretty f'n stupid if you ask me.

I'm almost certain they do more advanced calculations in AMAT 217, AMAT 219, MATH 205, MATH 211, MATH 221, MATH 249, MATH 251, MATH 253, MATH 263, MATH 271, STAT 201, STAT 211, STAT 213, and STAT 217.

Yup, that pretty much covers the junior math courses in University. Care to tell me which one does the military time thing as well?

I've been down this beaten path before. The minute I put University higher than SAIT, all the SAIT students and alumni come calling me out as usual. I'm not surprised by your respone one bit. [/b][/quote]
You do know that there are preparatory courses that can be taken at SAIT that students can take to get their pre-req's for certain programs, right?

What program was your co-worker in at SAIT? Was it a trade or technology based math course (i.e. something like business math or the like)?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Sep 17 2004, 05:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Sep 17 2004, 05:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ozy_Flame@Sep 17 2004, 11:28 AM
all the SAIT students and alumni come calling me out as usual. I'm not surprised by your respone one bit.

I don't go to SAIT, nor have I ever gone to SAIT. I just think its hilarious you based the entire College on one entry level prep math course. [/b][/quote]
Wow are you ever manipulating my words - I never said that one class spoke for the entire campus - I merely suggested that, in response to the original question being asked, university is harder. You can take that however you'd like, including jumping to irrational conclusions.

My co-worker is taking Web Design at SAIT. She has spent the last two years at the U of C studying psychology, and switched over this year. She herself told me it was a joke, and upon looking at the homework myself (which involved converting military times, doing long-hand division, and simplifying fractions), I whole-heartedly confirm that notion. Maybe this is my experience in Calculus, linear algebra and intermediate statistics speaking, but that stuff is relatively easy - stuff I did in High School.

On that note, then yes, I do believe University is harder.

[BlackArcher101]

Ozy_flame, you truly do not have a clue what you are talking about. You are comparing a Psychology program at the U of C to a web design program at SAIT? HAHAHAHAHA, funny stuff.

I CAN compare the 2 because I have taken the same program in each school. And having taken the most simplest math to the most complicated at SAIT, I will tell you there is hardly a difference between Uni and SAIT. Actually.. I'm in year 3 of my 4 year Mech Eng degree (university) and I'm taking math right now that I took in year 2 at SAIT. You can't tell me SAIT is easier because of your one stupid example.

Maybe this is my experience in advanced Calculus (Laplace, Fourier, PDE's, Matrices, Vectors, ODE's) speaking, but you are wrong. Sure she picked any easy course.. Web design is a joke. Would you say since they don't take any calculus, that web design is easier? No... you can't...

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally posted by calf+Sep 17 2004, 05:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (calf @ Sep 17 2004, 05:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-BlackArcher101
Basically, with SAIT, you know what's right, and with University, you know why it's right.

Couldn't agree with this statement more. [/b][/quote]
I second that. I've had several friends that went to both SAIT and U fo C say that you get a more in depth explanation at U of C. Not to knock SAIT, because it obviosuly has its advantages.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally posted by BlackArcher101@Sep 17 2004, 07:45 PM
Ozy_flame, you truly do not have a clue what you are talking about. You are comparing a Psychology program at the U of C to a web design program at SAIT? HAHAHAHAHA, funny stuff.

I CAN compare the 2 because I have taken the same program in each school. And having taken the most simplest math to the most complicated at SAIT, I will tell you there is hardly a difference between Uni and SAIT. Actually.. I'm in year 3 of my 4 year Mech Eng degree (university) and I'm taking math right now that I took in year 2 at SAIT. You can't tell me SAIT is easier because of your one stupid example.

Maybe this is my experience in advanced Calculus (Laplace, Fourier, PDE's, Matrices, Vectors, ODE's) speaking, but you are wrong. Sure she picked any easy course.. Web design is a joke. Would you say since they don't take any calculus, that web design is easier? No... you can't...

Yup, just as I predicted, the SAIT student is refuting my claim. My one "stupid example" holds. If you can tell, and prove to me which junior math-related course requires math like that of my co-workers, I'll eat my hat.

I stand by my statement, thick and through. B)

[Muta]

Originally posted by BlackArcher101@Sep 17 2004, 01:45 PM
Ozy_flame, you truly do not have a clue what you are talking about. You are comparing a Psychology program at the U of C to a web design program at SAIT? HAHAHAHAHA, funny stuff.

He's not comparing Psych to anything. He just said she was studying psychology. How do you know that his co-worker didn't take math courses there as options? I think you took what he said way out of context, and received a wrong impression.

Aside from that, I'm in University, in the Haskayne School of Business. I've never gone to SAIT or MRC before, although once I'm done my BComm I think I'm intersted in taking a few auto mechanic courses, since that stuff has recently interested me. I've worked at the same organization since high school - so I don't have the 'corporate' experience like some of my peers in the faculty - but what I can show for is longevity, commitment and promotion within one company... I hope that helps! I'm starting to feel the burn of looking for a job next year when I graduate....

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Ozy_Flame@Sep 18 2004, 12:38 AM
Yup, just as I predicted, the SAIT student is refuting my claim.

He is also a UofC student, thus having more of a grasp of both learning institutions then you would.

Just saying.

[Muta]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm@Sep 18 2004, 12:55 AM
He is also a UofC student, thus having more of a grasp of both learning institutions then you would.

Just saying.

Yeah, but every student is different. While he did have the benefit of attending both schools, it's ultimately only his opinion. And everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don't think one is necesarily better than the other, because they're just that - opinions.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally posted by Muta@Sep 18 2004, 12:58 AM
I don't think one is necesarily better than the other, because they're just that - opinions.

Well, ya. But that takes all the fun out of it now doesn't it? :P

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally posted by MrMastodonFarm+Sep 18 2004, 06:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MrMastodonFarm @ Sep 18 2004, 06:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ozy_Flame@Sep 18 2004, 12:38 AM
Yup, just as I predicted, the SAIT student is refuting my claim.

He is also a UofC student, thus having more of a grasp of both learning institutions then you would.

Just saying. [/b][/quote]
I'm not comparing myself to Black Archer. I'm comparing an introductory SAIT math course to a junior-level U of C math course, the closest possible equivalent I can think of. Seeing as how its assumed you know how to simplify fractions, convert to military and do long-hand division before going into the U of C junior courses, then I made a rational conclusion. Why can't you accept that? Don't direct your angst at me for answering the original question posed. If you're going to do that, then do it to everyone else on this thread who thinks Uni is harder. Sheesh.

[Muta]

Originally posted by Crazy Flamer@Sep 15 2004, 09:13 PM
I graduated with a Commerce degree from the Haskayne School of Business just over a year ago. While I was there I had a roommate who was taking business admin at SAIT. Her stuff looked a lot easier than mine. I took a look at some of her tests and they also seemed easier.

Crazy Flamer....

....I'm intersted to know what your impressions were of Finance 317 and SGMA 591 (you probably took it as MGST 591). I'm in both of these classes right now, that's why I'm asking.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally posted by Ozy_Flame@Sep 18 2004, 03:09 AM
I'm comparing an introductory SAIT math course to a junior-level U of C math course, the closest possible equivalent I can think of. Seeing as how its assumed you know how to simplify fractions, convert to military and do long-hand division before going into the U of C junior courses, then I made a rational conclusion.

So you made this rational conlcusion that college is easier than university based on the one fact that your friend had to convert military time to standard time? Interesting.

I would like to point out that on my Finals here in my 3rd year, I get some questions that ask me to convert from m/s to km/h, L to gal, mols to grams, even one as simple as hours to seconds. Does this make the class I'm taking easy? No.

Bottom line, I'm saying SAIT and Uni are similar in difficulty (in my situation).

Oh and since this is the first week or so of your friend taking this math course, it's bound to get more difficult. Come back in a couple months and let us know what she's doing then.

Now.. I'm not sure what you are getting at by saying this: " Yup, just as I predicted, the SAIT student is refuting my claim."
I happen to like the school. If needed to go back there, I'd jump at the chance. But what are you getting at though? Are you saying SAIT is a complete worthless peice of crap and no one should waste their time there, and us SAIT students are wrong in trying to change your opinion?

By the way guys, I'm not at the U of C, I'm at Lakehead. Need to clear that up.

[calf]

Originally posted by Muta+Sep 18 2004, 01:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Muta @ Sep 18 2004, 01:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Crazy Flamer@Sep 15 2004, 09:13 PM
I graduated with a Commerce degree from the Haskayne School of Business just over a year ago. While I was there I had a roommate who was taking business admin at SAIT. Her stuff looked a lot easier than mine. I took a look at some of her tests and they also seemed easier.

Crazy Flamer....

....I'm intersted to know what your impressions were of Finance 317 and SGMA 591 (you probably took it as MGST 591). I'm in both of these classes right now, that's why I'm asking. [/b][/quote]
I know you asked Crazy Flamer, but I'll jump in.

Haven't taken 591 yet, so I have nothing to say on that course.

Finance - stay on top of your homework, do the readings, and don't freak yourself out. It's one of those courses where once you just sit down and work at it, you'll find it pretty manageable. The midterm's tough - they throw major curveballs at you on it, so make sure you read the questions VERY carefully. The final and the quizzes are straight forward