Multiple "suspicious Deaths" close Hwy 2 at Claresholm bioth directions

[CrusaderPi]

Yes! But, not from you. HotHotHeat is the ultimate arbiter of 'too soon'. I'm waiting for him to give me the go ahead.

[pepper24]

Condolences to the victims and their families. Awful tragedy.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Could you imagine if this jealous bf's name was Mohammed? Why hasn't the religion aspect of this been raised yet? Because it doesn't matter what religion a crazy person is.

Because there is nothing to debate.

We all know Mormons are f'n crazy.

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by fotze

If he was mohammed, then mohammed the killer would have surely been the girls own father.

Too soon!

[getbak]

RCMP are saying he shot them with a 9mm handgun, but also had a loaded shotgun and rifle in the car with him: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/al...400/story.html

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by fotze

Friends say he was a popular young man, the type who wouldn't even pick a fight.
And they say the events that transpired on a dark highway Thursday -- when Derek Jensen opened fire on four people, including an ex-girlfriend -- were not the actions of a man they knew.
"Everybody is making him out to be a villain," said a close friend who didn't want to be named out of respect to Jensen's family.
"And he's not."

Ummmm, sorry there fatahead, yes, yes he is. Kind comes with the triple murder territory. Thats one of the downsides of killing people, that you become 'the villain'.

All I can say is go easy on everyone involved in this episode, don't be quick to judge. The friends of the killer are victims to a degree as well. They were totally blind sided by someone they thought they knew. So when this goes down, you will get comments like this out of anger, disbelief, hurt, and confusion. They won't make sense to you, but you never knew this guy, or who he was outside a peace meal Calgary Herald article.

I lost my best friend of 18 years a few years ago in a murder suicide. His girlfriend broke up with my best friend, and he couldn't let her go either. It will never make sense to me why, but it is what it is. All I can tell you is he never ever showed anger or violence to anyone, in any degree. Then one day it happens, trust me it turns your world upside down.

I found myself with some really crazy thoughts when it happened. I could not believe a person like him was capable of such actions. I am sure these people think that too.

A lot has changed and become clearer in my mind over the years. I better, but will never totally understand what happened that day. However, when I see stuff like this in the paper, I just feel sorry for everyone involved. As for judging, there are others like this man out in the world. They could even be on this board, and they might even be you given the right circumstance. That might sound crazy, but trust me, you go through this type of event and nothing is crazy any more.

[Azure]

Why shouldn't we judge? The killer was a deranged phsycopath who couldn't get over his girlfriend doing something he didn't agree with.

There is no excuse for EVER killing anyone, much less your girlfriend. Much less her friends.

I for one will judge, provided we know for sure that he pulled the trigger and killed those innocent people.

He is absolutely the villain. Not even close to being the victim.

[Cowperson]

Another profile of the killer.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/touch/C...tml?rel=841484

Cowperson

[Matty81]

Man this is a sad story. Poor b-----ds didn't even know the crazy guy on their way home for Christmas. Feel brutal for all those families.

Ditto the sentiment about defending the triple murderer... hoping it's probably just some other young kid who is in shock himself for the moment and not actually believing the murderer isn't a villain in the clear light of day.

Not knowing anything about handguns - I didn't know private citizens were allowed to own them even. I understand hunting rifles and stuff (family has a couple) but what's the utility of allowing private citizens to own small concealable, non-hunting guns anyway? Not that it would make a difference with this kind of guy but was curious when I read the news story.

[RogerWilco]

Alot of people that say that they didn't know what the person they knew well was capable of just need to dig deep. They know signs, they just don't want to admit it, or have ignored them. Trust me I know, I did it in the past. When I thought back, I was smaking myself in the face.

No one just snaps without a past. It just doesn't happen. There are always signs. Dig deep.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think people struggle with the idea that it is completely possible, and even likely, that someone can be nice most of the time but still do something horrible.

I doubt if there is a single person here who isn't nice most of the time, but a dick every once of a while (some more than others). The thing is, most rational people know when and where to draw the line. Every once in a while though, some otherwise rational people lose sight of that and cross the line. We all hope it will never be us of course.

[mikey_the_redneck]

I can't help but wonder if there are any depression meds and/or mental illness that factored in somehow.

It seems like such an extreme snap for what seems like a composed individual, according to friends...

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I can't help but wonder if there are any depression meds and/or mental illness that factored in somehow.

It seems like such an extreme snap for what seems like a composed individual, according to friends...

Interesting, usually with these thing is there not an escalation of violence as oppose to a complete snap and it wasn't like it was heat of the moment, the guy had plenty of time to think about it.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Another profile of the killer.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/touch/C...tml?rel=841484

Cowperson

I know Fay and Fry fairly well, the friends quoted in that article. All this really got to me today, far more than I expected it to. I don't know how many of us have to say that this came out of nowhere for it to be believed. I am NOT trying to defend his final actions as they are indeed as villainous as could possibly be, but just seeing 'experts' on the news talk about how his friends had failed him and what not, very frustrating.

[Cheerio]

Two things:

-Of course the friends are going to say he was a nice guy etc. He was their friend, they're not just going to say, yeah he was a big ol ######.

-Secondly read the "Things that randomly creep into your mind" thread, there are a lot of posts in there about knowing at any second you could run your car into someone else on the highway and kill them, or beat up someone randomly on the street. Everyone has thoughts like these, but rational people repress these thoughts and know "if i did this, bad things would happen" so they don't act on them, whereas some people can't sense the horribleness that would happen if they acted on these thoughts. It would be interesting to hear if the killer had any alcohol or drugs in his system because they could extremely distort his behaviour.

[REDVAN]

Sad.

Tragic mostly because 3 people died due to one guy not being able to control his rage. WTF. And the 4th will never get over this. Who could get over this!?

I'm just barely older than these guys, and I've had two exes dump me flat on my face. TWICE. You didn't see me acting like this. You don't see anyone else every acting this crazy after being dumped.

I'm pretty sure everyone in the world has an ex that they just couldn't forget, or that blindsided them with the breakup. I'll never understand why some guys get in such a jealous rage over girls that just don't want anything to do with them. It's emotionally hurtful, yes, but you have to let it go eventually... Move on. I know it's easy to say, but you've got to grieve and spend your time being sad. Then realize that there's plenty of fish in the sea. You just have to keep looking until you find the one who you deserve. Not kill your ex (and 2 others, an attempt on a third) out of a jealous rage.

And no one should be saying the killer was a nice guy, he just snapped. NO ONE. Snapping is yelling/crying/being depressed/punching drywall/etc over someone that broke your heart. This is way beyond the deep end, and he deserves to be vilified to the max. And giving the alcohol excuse? Please. 99.9999999999% of people who get drunk every damn weekend don't go out and kill their exes. Usually they just phone/text them silly things.

This guy was ABSOLUTELY crazy, and that's all there is to it. He should have gotten help, and instead, we have to see a terrible tragedy.

[lucky1]

The telling point was that this was totally premeditated...this crazy fu*k had 3 loaded guns...he was looking to kill this poor girl and was prepared for a standoff with the police if need be... I hope he rots in hell
Good riddance....what a sick bas*tard to ruin 4 lives plus put his parents thru hell....

[Rathji]

My friend, who lives in Claresholm, was leaving for work at a right about the time this played out. He is certain that if his shift wasn't moved forward by 30 mins, he would have been driving past right as it happened.


Rathji

[chemgear]

Crazy . . . long story/summary:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Ch...129/story.html


Chance meeting of ex-lovers sets stage for mass murder on Claresholm highway


EDIT: More about the shooter:


http://www.calgaryherald.com/Fortney...#ixzz1gugVjHjo

Fortney: Gunman’s friends cling to fond memories as dark side emerges

[FlamesAddiction]

I'm a little put off by his friends admitting that he would text them from Edmonton and ask them to check up on his ex to make sure that she wasn't out with other guys. That's a pretty big warning sign right there that the guy wasn't in a good place mentally.

Or that he (according to witnesses) pushed her out of a chair in public, and no one thought to intervene.

One of Stepple's friends also claims that she witnessed him screaming at her, punching windows and his car in fits of jealous rage.

Yeah, sounds like a really great guy.