The Dark Knight Rises: July 20, 2012

[GreenLantern]

I hope Bale finally gets over the nasty cold he had through the first few movies..

[CaptainCrunch]

I've always love you

[troutman]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I hope Bale finally gets over the nasty cold he had through the first few movies..

That voice is inexplicable. Worst movie device since Jar Jar Binks.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I hope Bale finally gets over the nasty cold he had through the first few movies..

If memory serves, Batman gets a serious cold before fighting Bane.

If anything, it'll get worse...

[Muta]

I've always believed that Batman Begins was the best one so far.

For me, it was more story-based. I loved the origins of the character, and how it was told (plus, Liam Neeson as Ras Ah'Gul was an awesome bad guy). Dark Knight was situation-based; as in, it was Batman dealing with the Joker. Different types of stories, if you ask me.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by wireframe

This is already the greatest movie all of time.

Bane invalidates this. The greatest Batman movie of all time cannot have Bane in it. Let alone the greatest movie of all.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Bane invalidates this. The greatest Batman movie of all time cannot have Bain in it. Let alone the greatest movie of all.

How can a movie with a villain that's super intelligent, and jacked on steroids automatically eliminate it from contention of best Batman movie, let alone eliminate it from contention for greatest movie of all time?

I'm not saying that DKR is going to be the best of the Batman movies, I'm not saying it's going to be on par with Casablanca or Citizen Kane, but I'll at least go in with an open mind.

[Lionel Steel]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I'm not saying that DKR is going to be the best of the Batman movies, I'm not saying it's going to be on par with Casablanca or Citizen Kane, but I'll at least go in with an open mind.

Maybe it's just because I'm an uncultured rube... but I enjoyed the Dark Knight a lot more than Casablanca.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Lionel Steel

Maybe it's just because I'm an uncultured rube... but I enjoyed the Dark Knight a lot more than Casablanca.

I dunno, Casablanca is pretty sweet. Citizen Kane is certainly good for a snore. "Rosebud"....who cares?

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Bane invalidates this. The greatest Batman movie of all time cannot have Bain in it. Let alone the greatest movie of all.

Why not (while I agree with you)? Bane is a really cool and complex character that most people just don't understand, most believe him to be stupid and a pet from the Schumacher movies. In reality, he is super intelligent and is equal to or better than Batman in every way (well except money).

The best Batman movie would have to have the Joker, he is the best villain ever created and he is the definition of what a villain is, he has no sympathy, he is just pure evil.

[Lionel Steel]

Actually I meant to type Citizen Kane there. I haven't seen Casablanca, always meant to check it out

[Tinordi]

Bane just isn't a very good character. I've read him in the comics, he's still not great.

They should have bit the bullet and recast joker along with some other baddies, or played out the two-face story further.

[Lionel Steel]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Bane just isn't a very good character. I've read him in the comics, he's still not great.

They should have bit the bullet and recast joker along with some other baddies, or played out the two-face story further.

I thought they should have kept Two-Face around as well, but I really think Nolan is going to make his death a big part of the sequel.

Also, I was pretty sceptical when I heard Ledger had been cast as the Joker. I've pretty much given-up betting against Christopher Nolan at this point. His entire filmography is extremely solid.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

Why not (while I agree with you)? Bane is a really cool and complex character that most people just don't understand, most believe him to be stupid and a pet from the Schumacher movies. In reality, he is super intelligent and is equal to or better than Batman in every way (well except money).

The best Batman movie would have to have the Joker, he is the best villain ever created and he is the definition of what a villain is, he has no sympathy, he is just pure evil.

I like both movies a lot, but honestly I liked Dark Knight a bit better then returns and that's really because I thought that the Ledger Joker really carried the movie, while Bale didn't really grow all that much, he was the same Batman with a scratchier voice.

I thought that the Joker that Ledger played was really different then the comic book character who to me just killed in the name of some cosmic joke that only he found funny.

Ledger's character to me wasn't as much a joker, as he was a hyper intelligent curious psychopathic phsycology student who really wanted to see how people ticked while getting a reaction that he expected to get. I think that's why he lost his focus when one of the boats didn't explode in the end, but then he remembered that he had still changed Dent and he was out there, his last great creation.

Its sad that its rare that Hollywood makes movies where the villian is the key focus (Payback could have been that movie but they totally softened it) I would love to see the back story on Nolan's joker, because you know that none of those "Do you know how I got these scars" was true, there was something much more horrifying that burned all of the empathy out of the Joker.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Lionel Steel

I thought they should have kept Two-Face around as well, but I really think Nolan is going to make his death a big part of the sequel.

Also, I was pretty sceptical when I heard Ledger had been cast as the Joker. I've pretty much given-up betting against Christopher Nolan at this point. His entire filmography is extremely solid.

I honestly to this day don't think in my mind that two face was killed in that fall. I think that his death and the funeral was all set up and Harvey was put in Arkham so that the world wouldn't know that the real hero of Gotham city, a good and honourable man had died as a villian, or died at all, because for two face to die like he did, meant that Batman really did in the end break the one rule that he kept too in dealing with the Joker.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I honestly to this day don't think in my mind that two face was killed in that fall. I think that his death and the funeral was all set up and Harvey was put in Arkham so that the world wouldn't know that the real hero of Gotham city, a good and honourable man had died as a villian, or died at all, because for two face to die like he did, meant that Batman really did in the end break the one rule that he kept too in dealing with the Joker.

I agree with you here, Two-Face is locked in Arkham for sure. While I doubt that Nolan brings him back this movie, it would be cool if he had a cameo in Arkham.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I like both movies a lot, but honestly I liked Dark Knight a bit better then returns and that's really because I thought that the Ledger Joker really carried the movie, while Bale didn't really grow all that much, he was the same Batman with a scratchier voice.

I thought that the Joker that Ledger played was really different then the comic book character who to me just killed in the name of some cosmic joke that only he found funny.

Ledger's character to me wasn't as much a joker, as he was a hyper intelligent curious psychopathic phsycology student who really wanted to see how people ticked while getting a reaction that he expected to get. I think that's why he lost his focus when one of the boats didn't explode in the end, but then he remembered that he had still changed Dent and he was out there, his last great creation.

Its sad that its rare that Hollywood makes movies where the villian is the key focus (Payback could have been that movie but they totally softened it) I would love to see the back story on Nolan's joker, because you know that none of those "Do you know how I got these scars" was true, there was something much more horrifying that burned all of the empathy out of the Joker.

If you haven't already yet, you should read "The Killing Joke". Basically tells the origin of the Joker in one plot-line and another which involves Batman. The book is an absolute must read for any fan of Batman. I think I'll go over it again tonight.

Note: Nolan has already said, in multiple interviews, that Harvey died at the end of TDK, so don't get your hopes up people.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by troutman

That voice is inexplicable. Worst movie device since Jar Jar Binks.

Kevin Conroy did it first, and frankly it makes sense. What else is Bruce supposed to do? Wear glasses?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

If you haven't already yet, you should read "The Killing Joke". Basically tells the origin of the Joker in one plot-line and another which involves Batman. The book is an absolute must read for any fan of Batman. I think I'll go over it again tonight.

Note: Nolan has already said, in multiple interviews, that Harvey died at the end of TDK, so don't get your hopes up people.

i thought Joker's origin was an eternal mystery and an integral part of the character? that's why Ledger's joker was so much better than Nicholson's, because it stayed true to the comics and didn't try to invent some silly reason why he was who he was

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

If you haven't already yet, you should read "The Killing Joke". Basically tells the origin of the Joker in one plot-line and another which involves Batman. The book is an absolute must read for any fan of Batman. I think I'll go over it again tonight.

Note: Nolan has already said, in multiple interviews, that Harvey died at the end of TDK, so don't get your hopes up people.

I liked the killing joke because it was strongly written and really explained the comic book story line joker, I really loved the joke itself, and thought that Batman trying to save the Joker to the end while hating what he became was a nice bit of story telling.

But I really don't think that it really matched the Nolan Joker that well with the whole Standup Comedian failure thing leading to the tragedy that changed his life.

Nolan's joker wasn't really that type to me there was a real fierce curiosity to everything that the Joker did and a need to manipulate through the truth.

In the movie the Joker wanted to shape the world and treat it like a mouse maze. He only lied once in the movie, that's when he explained to Dent that he had no plan, that he was a dog chasing a car and had no idea what he would do if he caught it. But everything he did was maticulously thought out.

The Bank robbery was planned out, but not in the name of actually committing the crime but in starting the ball rolling to the end game which was that he wanted not to destoy Batman or kill him, but to make him change.

He wasn't as much interested in Chaos as he was interested in creating a very structured maze with one entrance and one exit. He predicted everything based on a keen understanding of human nature. The only time that he didn't predict something properly was when neither party blew up a boat.

I've always said that Nolan's Joker was to me a academic who had his heart ripped out, whether his scars were self created or created by an incident that destroyed his humanity we'll never know.

But I have a gut feeling that the Joker, whoever he was in the Nolan universe was once a good man and that's what makes him frightening.

I would love to see a backstory movie, there are massive possibilities, I just don't think that the Killing Joke Joker of Batman comics fits it that well.