FDA warns public about HGC diet, which is ILLEGAL

[valo403]

That post is amazing. The company brought you candles people!!! Candles!!! Obviously they should be trusted to bring you a healthy life as well.

It's garbage. Plain and simple. 100% garbage. There's no need for a lengthy reply, any person with half a brain knows it.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

Amway, Tupperware, PartyLite, Pampered Chef, Scentsy, Mary Kay, Avon....
Ever heard of them?
All MLM companies too.
Must be a scam too eh?

Hahaha you're using those companies in defense of scams?

It's pretty funny when gullible, ignorant people try make a living by finding more gullible, ignorant people.

Let me guess, you're so close to earning some awesome car! (2 year lease on a base model that will never actually show up in your driveway).

And let me also guess, despite making a $3000 in one day you still live in a #### hole and have nothing to show for it?

Yup, met a few people like you. Pretty much the lowest of the low.

[burn_this_city]

Ugh nothing is more annoying than people talking about MLM schemes. No one cares what you've made, and how great the product is. Once someone approaches me with these types of things, I never look at them the same.

[Ducay]

Ha, i'll make sure to come back to laugh at this thread once I get my free BMW!


OP, check your PMs!

Its like amway for ######s!

[Julio]

"We are owned by a 1.5 BILLION dollar, publicly traded on the TSX company called Blyth. The same company that brought PartyLite candles to the world. 1.5 BILLION."

It's on the NYSE (American Company not Canadain) and is worth 1/3 of what you mention. ONE THIRD. Of course it is also down 20% in the last week so that has a slight bearing on the vaule of the company.
http://blyth.investorroom.com/

I just offer this up because I am wary of 'I am backed by a huge company" claims that a lot of MLM sellers say.

[Pacem]

Originally Posted by pylon

Pacem.

If I would suggest any place for her to start out, it would be Talisman Centre. They run a lot like a non profit, and don't lock you into a membership like the big corporate gyms. If you don't like it after 3 months, you are free to walk away. Incredible facility, every fitness activity and piece of equipment you can think of, and the membership includes yoga, and all sorts of other perks that are female friendly. Best $61 bucks a month you can spend on your health.

The trainers there are unreal, and they are all accredited. I have had nothing but praise to heap on them the last year. It would be an excellent place to start, when you are dealing with someone that knows what the heck they are talking about, and can offer you a long term solution, and proper advice.

I've never heard of Talisman Centre, I live in Vancouver area so don't know if that is out here or what not.

The problem isn't the tools available to her. I know a fair amount about weight loss. I considered going down that path for my career. In my teens and early twenties I was very conscience about my weight and keeping myself in good physical shape. Getting training advice or any advice from your spouse can easily fall on deaf ears. And honestly, I'd rather punch myself in the balls repeatedly on a daily basis then have to deal with "pushing" or "motivating" my wife to work harder, so...

A good friend of mine that i've known since high school and was my original weight training partner does personal training for a living. My boss's husband (my boss is like my 2nd mom) is a personal trainer who is in his late 50's and has been a fitness freak since his early 20's. He worked with my Boss's sons g/f the last 8 months and she's lost 35 pounds. Both have offered her their services for free. Individual one on one communication from a trainer who is not trying to sell you on supplements or gym memberships and still a no go. My wife, just like other over weight people out there, is lazy. She truly believes there is an easy way. Before I met her, she had been training for well over a year. She lost weight, its the only way to lose weight. She just doesn't want to do all that work again. I get it. I'm over weight and its because i'm lazy.

I'm just sick of her hearing about some new magic weight loss solution that is easy. They all say they should be used in combination with exercise but these things are marketed in a way that people barely pay attention to that fact. I wish people pimping these magical pills would just fall off a cliff.

[JonDuke]

I'm using the other companies to show that they are also MLM companies but no one cares when their mom is pimpin make up from Avon. Nor do they jump on her and say it is a scam. Those are just extremely successful companies and many have been around for 25 plus years.
And I post my own success no to brag, but to show that it IS possible, even with no experience. Or that maybe I am clearly just a great scammer.
An older post was brought up and used to attack me on a post that had nothing to do my MY company. Of course I'm gonna defend myself by trying to educate people between the difference of a scam and a legit MLM company.
Haters gonna hate. I get it. 100%

[Azure]

Not sure what the OP is trying to sell, and quite frankly it looks like a load of crap, but....truth is that diet is more important than exercise if you want to lose weight.

6000 kms of cycling over 6 months, and 4-5 days a week of dedicated, regimented weight lifting.

....is a pretty insane commitment. You're basically saying you biked an average of 33km for 6 months straight, without skipping a day. That, plus the 4-5 days a week lifting makes it even more insane. The time commitment you're talking about is impossible for probably 90% of the population. I'll break it down even further. I do around 25km/h on the bike normally, which basically equals 1.32 hours or one one hour and 20 min, every single day for 6 months straight. Comes out to 240 hours. I also spend at average about 45 min lifting weights, and you say you do it 4-5x per week, which is if I do the math comes out to another 84 hours over 6 months. Add that together with your cycling schedule, and you're sitting at 324 hours of exercise over a 6 month period. Equals about 1.8-2 hours exercise PER day that one would need to do in order to accomplish what you've done. Pretty insane requirement just to not watch what you eat, or your calorie intake.

Not trying to discredit you're obviously incredible journey, but you can't possibly expect people to workout 2 hours per day for 6 months straight. I can deadlift more than 95% of the population and I couldn't even get myself to put in that kind of time. Nevermind that I would burn out in about 2 weeks.

If you want to lose weight, you need to watch what you eat WAY MORE than you need to exercise.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Azure

Not sure what the OP is trying to sell, and quite frankly it looks like a load of crap, but....truth is that diet is more important than exercise if you want to lose weight.



....is a pretty insane commitment. You're basically saying you biked an average of 33km for 6 months straight, without skipping a day. That, plus the 4-5 days a week lifting makes it even more insane. The time commitment you're talking about is impossible for probably 90% of the population. I'll break it down even further. I do around 25km/h on the bike normally, which basically equals 1.32 hours or one one hour and 20 min, every single day for 6 months straight. Comes out to 240 hours. I also spend at average about 45 min lifting weights, and you say you do it 4-5x per week, which is if I do the math comes out to another 84 hours over 6 months. Add that together with your cycling schedule, and you're sitting at 324 hours of exercise over a 6 month period. Equals about 1.8-2 hours exercise PER day that one would need to do in order to accomplish what you've done. Pretty insane requirement just to not watch what you eat, or your calorie intake.

Not trying to discredit you're obviously incredible journey, but you can't possibly expect people to workout 2 hours per day for 6 months straight. I can deadlift more than 95% of the population and I couldn't even get myself to put in that kind of time. Nevermind that I would burn out in about 2 weeks.

If you want to lose weight, you need to watch what you eat WAY MORE than you need to exercise.

I think the big thing lost in his post about not watching his diet is that he doesn't watch his diet EXCEPT for the biggest part of weightloss and diet in my opinion, he cut out sugar.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

I'm using the other companies to show that they are also MLM companies but no one cares when their mom is pimpin make up from Avon. Nor do they jump on her and say it is a scam. Those are just extremely successful companies and many have been around for 25 plus years.
And I post my own success no to brag, but to show that it IS possible, even with no experience. Or that maybe I am clearly just a great scammer.
An older post was brought up and used to attack me on a post that had nothing to do my MY company. Of course I'm gonna defend myself by trying to educate people between the difference of a scam and a legit MLM company.
Haters gonna hate. I get it. 100%

Actually if my mom had to resort to selling Avon, I would most certainly warn her of the dangers of getting involved in these MLM companies. (Is Avon even MLM? I am unsure of that.) In fact I would probably just give her a couple grand a month, because obviously I had failed as a son in some way, if that is what she had to resort to.

I do however know of a family that got involved with Primerica, that ended at the end of a shotgun barrel and a self induced head wound as a result. Completely bankrupted and destroyed them. MLM gets a bad rap, because they can suck people dry and destroy them. At best you usually do a bunch of legwork for some other guy, and never get a cut worth more than minimum wage.

This board is far too educated (not claiming to be that guy myself) to make any argument that isn't bullet proof. If it isn't present the necessary caveats, you will get eaten alive here.

I do find however, the obscurity of the topic in your original post unlikely as a conversation starter, as you had already set yourself up for a sales pitch with this:

Originally Posted by JonDuke

I have literally helped hundreds of people lose weight and completely transform their bodies & lives and know, especially with New Years resolutions fast approaching, that so many people will be looking for a quick fix. Sadly, HCG pills, drops and injections are still readily available.

Being in sales myself, I saw exactly what was happening, and you know the saying, "You can't bs, a bs'er."

[Hack&Lube]

This is exactly the same kind of spiel and apologetics I get from my friends who were brainwashed by Amway. It's like I don't know who they are anymore. MLMs and even things like Landmark (Lululemon's program) operate and prey upon on the same mental processes as cults do.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Azure

...is a pretty insane commitment. You're basically saying you biked an average of 33km for 6 months straight, without skipping a day. That, plus the 4-5 days a week lifting makes it even more insane.

I was cycling a minimum of 250 KMs per week. 160 k of that was commuting as I was 20 kms each way to work, 4 times a week. And I did at least 100 k on weekends. My exact distance was actually 6472 kms, as I just checked the odo on my bike computer which happens to be in my desk right now.

And yes I was working out 4 or 5 days a week, depending on what rotation I was on. I basically cut back golf to 1 round a week, and quit beer league for the summer to fit it in. It is do-able, if you want it bad enough.

[Thor]

If you watch the video, you'll see the absurdity of anyone claiming diet is the solution to health problems.

Diet alone is not going to reduce your chances of cancer.
Diet alone is not going to reduce drastically your chances of heart disease, and even reverse it.
Diet alone is not going to get your off your anti-depressants.

I could go on, but the video explains it for you in easy to digest format.

The goal is health, not weight, you can be a relatively healthy person who's obese as long as you get some exercise in, the effects are proven and the #1 answer to changing your life around.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by pylon

I was cycling a minimum of 250 KMs per week. 160 k of that was commuting as I was 20 kms each way to work, 4 times a week. And I did at least 100 k on weekends. My exact distance was actually 6472 kms, as I just checked the odo on my bike computer which happens to be in my desk right now.

And yes I was working out 4 or 5 days a week, depending on what rotation I was on. I basically cut back golf to 1 round a week, and quit beer league for the summer to fit it in. It is do-able, if you want it bad enough.

Obviously its doable. Anything is doable.

But most people can't fit that into their schedule. For them 30-45 min, 3-4x per week is perfectly good enough. But they HAVE to watch their weight.

Cutting out sugar is a a big plus, but I would venture a pretty educated guess that a big part of your success has to do with superior genetics and some obvious muscle memory from a past that involved weigh training. Most people can't afford to eat anything, and keep up that kind of workout schedule without something happening. Either they burnout, which happens often, or they plateau and can't break past it. Working out 2 hours per day for 6 months straight is a recipe for disaster if you ask me. At some point any trained athlete will begin breaking down muscle because you simply can't recover. If that happens long enough, which is entirely possible if you workout for 180 days straight without taking a week off here and there, rhabdomyolysis is a likely scenario.

Because of that you simply can't expect people to do that. Which is why diet is a lot more important than any exercise program.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Not sure why you guys are arguing diet vs exercise.

Doing one without the other is ######ed.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Thor

If you watch the video, you'll see the absurdity of anyone claiming diet is the solution to health problems.

Diet alone is not going to reduce your chances of cancer.
Diet alone is not going to reduce drastically your chances of heart disease, and even reverse it.
Diet alone is not going to get your off your anti-depressants.

I could go on, but the video explains it for you in easy to digest format.

The goal is health, not weight, you can be a relatively healthy person who's obese as long as you get some exercise in, the effects are proven and the #1 answer to changing your life around.

I'm not trying to credit what the OP is saying. I'm saying that 80% of being healthy is watching what you eat, and 20% is based around exercise. Expecting people to cycle 6400km over 6 months and telling them if they do that they don't have to watch what they eat simply doesn't work. Every single high level athlete in the WORLD watches exactly what their food intake is. Simply cutting out sugar is not the answer considering that there are a whole slew of extremely unhealthy foods that contain little to no sugar at all. Now if you would say you cut out simple carbs, that would do much more in helping you eat healthy because you instantly stay away from junk food and fast food, both of which do more to create obesity than anything else.

Saying you can be relatively healthy while you're obese is a pretty dumb argument to make. The overwhelming percentage of obese people either HAVE health problems, or WILL develop health problems at some point. 650,000 people died in the US last year from heart problems, and that number is expected to rise on a constant scale due to the number of obese people increasing as well.

Obesity isn't something that makes you fall over and die the instant the BMI scale says you're over 37. It is more or less a long-term 'sickness' that makes your body more and more unhealthy as each day goes by. That much is fact, and considering your interest in 'science'....I'm not sure why you would even say something that stupid.

[puckluck]

I just realized I am friends with Jon's wife on facebook. Or I should say was friends until she annoyed the crap out of me with the constant BS about all these challenges and "free BMW'S" and deleted her.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Not sure why you guys are arguing diet vs exercise.

Doing one without the other is ######ed.

I am simply arguing against the notion that exercise is more important than your diet. You do need both, but last time I checked the 80/20 rule was widely accepted.

And just to throw some more stuff out there, I know quite a few people that cleaned up their diet, and dropped quite a bit of weight without ever seriously getting involved in any exercise program.

What is the first thing any doctor or certified medical professional will tell you when you go get your physical done and your cholesterol and blood pressure levels are way to high?

"Time to lose weight."
"How do I do that."
"Well first, you should start watching what you eat....., and THEN, you should start getting some exercise in 3-4x per week."

[Delthefunky]

My exercise routine is playing hockey outdoors, or drop-in soccer over lunch. I always walk if I'm going to the corner store, and every few weekends I either go hiking or x-country skiing. I dont have a regular diet, I just stay away from fast food. This works for me because I just enjoy doing all of them. I absolutely hate exercise for the point of exercising.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by pylon

I was cycling a minimum of 250 KMs per week. 160 k of that was commuting as I was 20 kms each way to work, 4 times a week. And I did at least 100 k on weekends. My exact distance was actually 6472 kms, as I just checked the odo on my bike computer which happens to be in my desk right now.

And yes I was working out 4 or 5 days a week, depending on what rotation I was on. I basically cut back golf to 1 round a week, and quit beer league for the summer to fit it in. It is do-able, if you want it bad enough.

Also, if I break down the numbers even further, biking 80 min per day, at roughly 15mph would burn approx 1200 calories. That would explain why you were able to eat more and not gain 'fat'....but lean muscle mass instead.

And I didn't even calculate in the calories you burned while lifting.

So sure it does work, but again its hard for someone to keep up that pace.