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Old 11-14-2011, 08:33 AM   #101
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Yeah. My wife works in audit with KPMG here in Shanghai. Her colleagues are nice enough people, but my god are they uninteresting.
To be fair you're talking about Chinese accountants. Even the asian accountants here are boring by our standards
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Old 12-02-2011, 08:27 AM   #102
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Congratulations to all the new CA's today!! 2 months of agonizing waiting is finally over!
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Congratulations to all the new CA's today!! 2 months of agonizing waiting is finally over!
You actually don't become a CA today. The earliest anyone who successfully challenged the UFE, and received their results today, can become a CA is the middle of January 2012.

Big congrats to all UFE passers. It's a huge weight off your shoulders.
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You actually don't become a CA today. The earliest anyone who successfully challenged the UFE, and received their results today, can become a CA is the middle of January 2012.
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Damn straight. If I was any less fun I'd be an actuary.
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Damn straight. If I was any less fun I'd be an actuary.
Hey, I resent that.

Wait, I'm no longer considered an actuaray now that I'm making the switch to accounting. Carry on.
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Old 12-02-2011, 03:34 PM   #107
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I passed the UFE!

An exam like no other for sure. So glad that I don't have to go through the UFE process again next year. I've completed my articling hours as well... all I need to do now is finish some professional development courses then I'm good to go. Hopefully I'll be a CA and not a CPA.
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I passed the UFE!

An exam like no other for sure. So glad that I don't have to go through the UFE process again next year. I've completed my articling hours as well... all I need to do now is finish some professional development courses then I'm good to go. Hopefully I'll be a CA and not a CPA.
Congrats! Welcome to the club! We'll teach you the secret handshake once you get your letters in the mail.
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I passed the UFE!

An exam like no other for sure. So glad that I don't have to go through the UFE process again next year. I've completed my articling hours as well... all I need to do now is finish some professional development courses then I'm good to go. Hopefully I'll be a CA and not a CPA.

Congratulations. Enjoy the day. It will hopefully be a blur of drunken debauchery.

I have heard many, many stories from CAs stating that the day they found out they passed the UFE is the greatest day of their lives. Although I very much enjoyed it, I don't think it's even close to my best day ever.

What it is, is the biggest difference between how excited you are and how horrible you would be feeling if you failed. In economic terms the marginal happiness is at the maximum, while the total happiness is high, but not the highest or maximum it could ever be. Passing means you have finished your schooling and you get to go out and party with your friends and co-workers. You can soon leave public practice and make more money. Failing means you have two months of anxiety built up and it's about to come crashing down. Everyone's happy except for you. You know you have a year's worth of people telling you that you'll kill it next year and then you have to go through the study process and writing again.

I am so glad I passed on my first write. I have tremendous respect for those who had to write it 2 or 3 times. I'm so glad I didn't have to go through that process more than once.

Next year's writers might have to wait until December 7th to find out if they continue releasing on the first Friday of the month.
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Congratulations. Enjoy the day. It will hopefully be a blur of drunken debauchery.

Next year's writers might have to wait until December 7th to find out if they continue releasing on the first Friday of the month.
Marks day is Nov 30 next year.

I'm fairly certain I drank myself to alcohol poisoning last night. Celebrating today, I had to hold back on drinking as much in order to avoid a certain death from people buying rounds and rounds of shots.
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Just noticed this unification website:

http://cpacanada.ca/

Time for CAs to vent.
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Man, this sucks... I really really do NOT want them to merge. It's like they don't really care about the feedback, they're just going to go ahead with it anyways.
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Interesting. So they are proposing to use both CPA, [your designation] after your name for the next 10 years. So for me, I'd sign my emails with CPA, CMA.

Maybe I'll look smarter with more letters after my name?
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To non-accountants, it's all pretty much the same anyway. It's like listening to engineers argue who cooler, the civies or the sparkies. Meh. About time they merged up and cleared up that issue!

It's best they put forth a unified program. As someone close to the profession but not an accountant (I work with alot of them), I find all the I'm better than you attitude really downgrades the perceived quality of the profession as a whole. This is good news for sure... in the long run anyways.

I do feel for all the guys that worked for below minimum wage in terrible conditions for 3 years for something that will be equal to the rest of the guys that got paid a respectable salary while earning their letters. Raw deal for sure.

Just think of the future, and how the big 4 won't be able to rip off the next generation when they can get corporate jobs with reasonable conditions and salaries.

Glad I didn't go that route, that's all I can say about that.
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I think these three reasons make sense as outlined by the website. Reason 2 and 3 pretty much means that it will be either all 3 will merge or no merger at all.

- Government mandating that we reform, and possibly dictating
the terms of that reform.

- If the profession does not unify it is possible that two of the existing
bodies may merge, thereby potentially strengthening their position
in the marketplace at the expense of the third body.

- The CPA designation becoming controlled by one or more
of the existing Canadian bodies — to the exclusion of the others.
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:17 PM   #116
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So does this mean if I write the CMA exam 1 next May I will be shuffled into the CPA program?
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To non-accountants, it's all pretty much the same anyway. It's like listening to engineers argue who cooler, the civies or the sparkies.

Sounds more like Engineers arguing with Engineering Techs.

I'd be choked if I was a CA.
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Sounds more like Engineers arguing with Engineering Techs.

I'd be choked if I was a CA.
Disagree really. A CMA upon graduation has 2-3 years of relevant corporate experience. I question the value of 3 years of audit and tax to most corporate settings. Depends on the situation, but if I was presented with 100% equal freshly minted CMA or CA candidates for a role in my area (which is finance, but not accounting), I'd go with the CMA. They have more relevant experience at t0.

Later on in career, there is some advantage of the social network created by being a CA. But it's primarily social and not competency based. Having a good familiarity with both programs, I wouldn't say either has a huge educational compentency advantage. I don't believe that audit and tax easily translate into SOME corporate areas. Absolutely for an audit or tax position I would hire a CA first, ABSOLUTELY. But for positions in my area (corporate finance), I'd lean more heavily on the other designations as I get better value for money, if I have to hire an accountant at all.

CGA is a little different from the big two, but I still know highly competent CGAs and completely incompetent CAs so again it's more the individual.

And that's really the problem with the accounting profession that this is trying to solve IMO. They think their letters mean something to non-accoutants about their competency, and maybe their marketing has convinced some. But it's all about the individual at the end of the day. That's something that these labels ignore.

Further, the CA professional is dying, in terms of enrollment and market share. So they have no choice anyway. I wonder if that also suggests that for the broader corporate market, CMA or CGA holds greater appeal. Perhaps I can get the same job done by a highly competent CMA at a much lower cost than a CA which carries a premium in the corporate world but a questionable one.

Various things to consider. It doesn't seem like a big deal to the old folks in the CA program as they'll all have to wear their silly double designation for a decade or so. The recently minted CA's I guess can complain that they struggled for 3 years for nothing... but at the end of the day, no point in crying over spilled milk. Move on and be the best accountant that you can be.

My advice would be for the truly competent folks, the more you contribute and advance in your career, the more you let your accomplishments speak. The most successful CA's I know tend not to rely on the "I'm a CA so I'm better" attitude and more on fact that they let their achievements define them more than an educational qualification that is not HUGELY superior to others in their field.
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Ya....and also HA ha to all the CA's.
I guess the only silver lining in this whole thing is the fact that it does piss off a lot of smug, self centred CA's.
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Plus The Scud can;t reply to Geos' post, he's probably going crazy right now.
I really didn't mean that to be offensive to any CA's. I have complete respect for their profession, along with CMAs and CGAs.

I just find it silly for a profession to have so many sub-associations. All require undergrad. All require professional experience. Meh. All the same. It's not the same as engineering techs or engineers as someone above said... that's actually a difference in education and focus (diploma versus degree is very different).
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