12-01-2011, 10:55 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lethbridge
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Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious
Did you watch the game tonight or did you just drop with more of the same drive by Iginla hating comments?
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You mean the game in which we just lost at home to the worst team in the league?
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12-01-2011, 10:56 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH (Grew up in Calgary)
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Jarome has earned his right to weather he wants to stay or not. It would be great if he stayed her but the chances of us winning the cup by the time he retires are fairly slim but it wouldn't kill me if he didn't win one. Although it would be nice if we could do a re-tool and go on an epic cup run in the next few years with Jarome on the roster.
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12-01-2011, 10:56 PM
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: too far from Calgary
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Didn't Feaster also say in the summer the Flames would make the playoffs....and believed it. I don't think you can categorically say he will finish his career as a Flame or never be traded. If the right situation comes along for both parties, of course he'll move.
I hope he stays a Flame but I also want his storybook career to have a SC ring which looks like it won't happen here.
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12-01-2011, 10:57 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lethbridge
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
It would be interesting to see what teams would offer for Jarome. I have a feeling it won't be near as much as many of us think.
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Looking at deals from the past it looks like Iginla will get a very good package coming back.
The key with him is going to be finding the right fit, but if Feaster can the return will be very good.
HF is a pile of garbage and message board proposed deals are equally useless so I wouldn't worry too much about proposals based on what HF posters are suggesting.
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12-01-2011, 10:58 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lethbridge
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
What makes you think the rebuild will be quick if Jarome is traded?
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Because you add the good young pieces that an Iginla trade gets you and your team gets worse improving the quality and likelihood of success of the player/s you draft.
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12-01-2011, 10:58 PM
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#26
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by moon
The injection of youth is nice but there is no elite level talent and arguably no top 6 level talent that an Iginla trade can bring and that is desperately needed with this team.
You can keep repeating that BS all you want it won't make it any more true.
And I fail to see how this is being negative just because it disagrees with your view.
I would like to see how it is "very possible" that happens. Not trading our best asset with an already weak asset base does not seem like the most likely ways to have this rebuild be successful.
Also how do I fixate on dealing Iginla? I think this may at most have been the 3 post I have had on the topic and have been far from a proponent of doing so.
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It's still possible to draft high and well, sign free agents and move other players while keeping a valuable cog and leader to guide the team through a rebuild.
And you called Byron garbage. Its kind of tough having any subjective discussion with you when the storm cloud you live in skews your outlook that dramatically.
Again, the team and Iginla both seem set on seeing him here through all of this.
You can huff and puff all you want, it's just going to leave you negative and constantly complaining like you always do.
Once again, it's possible this team rebuilds and retools while keeping a veteran presence that will contribute along the way.
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Originally Posted by moon
You mean the game in which we just lost at home to the worst team in the league?
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Murray announced yesterday he doesn't watch the Flames play. He just comes in several times a week to spew hate about Iginla.
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12-01-2011, 11:00 PM
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#27
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
What makes you think the rebuild will be quick if Jarome is traded?
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Because I think he would net the team several premium young players. You're looking at a return more than Mike Richards got. So you could get one of the best young players outside the NHL, probably another good young player and a 1st rounder, maybe more.
I mean if Feaster traded him in the wrong deal it wouldn't help the rebuild. But if he got full value I don't see how it wouldn't speed up the rebuild quite a bit.
We could potentially get that #1 centre we haven't had since Nieuwendyk left and get him just as he's entering the beginning of his career.
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12-01-2011, 11:00 PM
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#28
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Vancouver, BC
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I don't want Iggy to get traded but I feel that after all these years, he's done enough for the Flames to deserve better than this. I'd love for him to be part of the solution but I'd also love for him to win a cup in his career. Unfortunately, I doubt both of those things can happen simultaneously.
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12-01-2011, 11:03 PM
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And I Don't Care...
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The land of the eternally hopeful
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I don't see how someone who is competent enough to be hired as a GM of an NHL team could possibly not see the writing on the wall. Feaster has to know that for this team to improve he has to trade Iginla eventually...Doesn't he?
He's got to be spewing a lot of malarkey on this Iginla issue, right?
Oh, I don't know...
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12-01-2011, 11:03 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by moon
Looking at deals from the past it looks like Iginla will get a very good package coming back.
The key with him is going to be finding the right fit, but if Feaster can the return will be very good.
HF is a pile of garbage and message board proposed deals are equally useless so I wouldn't worry too much about proposals based on what HF posters are suggesting.
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Well if the return is pretty solid then sure you gotta look at moving him but here is the way i see it.
Feaster is not going to trade Iginla this season no matter what. I think Iggy would still be tough to move right now given he has a year left on his deal. While he says he is not trading him now that could feasibly change. Feaster said he wouldn't trade Regehr but he did. Things change and this situation could change over time.
If the Flames do finish with a top 5 pick they could potentially add 2 future first liners to the team next year with Sven and this pick.
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12-01-2011, 11:04 PM
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#31
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lethbridge
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious
It's still possible to draft high and well, sign free agents and move other players while keeping a valuable cog and leader to guide the team through a rebuild.
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Of course it is possible but it is not very likely that it is going to happen and especially not more likely to be as successful a rebuild if you added top end talent from a trade and from the better drafting position.
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And you called Byron garbage. Its kind of tough having any subjective discussion with you when the storm cloud you live in skews your outlook that dramatically.
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This is the same Byron that has played more games in the AHL this year than the NHL correct?
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Again, the team and Iginla both seem set on seeing him here through all of this.
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Great doesn't mean that I can't state my views on what I think should happen.
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You can huff and puff all you want, it's just going to leave you negative and constantly complaining like you always do.
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I would love to see the posts where I am huffing and puffing. And as always keep coming with the BS negativity crap. A different opinion from you is not negativity.
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12-01-2011, 11:05 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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No offence to Jarome, I understand fully and completely what he means to this team and I want him to stay until he hits 500 goals in his career, but this is not what I wanted to hear. I am really hoping he is just pulling a Sutter right now.
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12-01-2011, 11:05 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Because I think he would net the team several premium young players. You're looking at a return more than Mike Richards got. So you could get one of the best young players outside the NHL, probably another good young player and a 1st rounder, maybe more.
I mean if Feaster traded him in the wrong deal it wouldn't help the rebuild. But if he got full value I don't see how it wouldn't speed up the rebuild quite a bit.
We could potentially get that #1 centre we haven't had since Nieuwendyk left and get him just as he's entering the beginning of his career.
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Well I just don't know if I agree that the return is going to be that good. The way I see it is a top prospect, a first round pick and a salary dump.
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12-01-2011, 11:06 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: May 2004
Location: NYC
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Sundin saga 2.0
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12-01-2011, 11:07 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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Originally Posted by Bluzman
Sundin saga 2.0
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Terrible news.
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12-01-2011, 11:09 PM
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#36
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by moon
Of course it is possible but it is not very likely that it is going to happen and especially not more likely to be as successful a rebuild if you added top end talent from a trade and from the better drafting position.
This is the same Byron that has played more games in the AHL this year than the NHL correct?
Great doesn't mean that I can't state my views on what I think should happen.
I would love to see the posts where I am huffing and puffing. And as always keep coming with the BS negativity crap. A different opinion from you is not negativity.
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I have zero interest in tracing and re-posting your drivel to prove to you that you do little other than complain here about everything and everyone. I have very little respect for your opinion because of how skewed and dripping with pessimism it always is.
And FYI your labeling Byron as "GARBAGE" (think about that word) speaks for itself. It just goes to show how much point there is discussing anything with you objectively.
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Iginla isn't going to be traded for elite talent. He would be traded for young emerging talent with potential. There is no sure thing.
With that said, there is just as much chance we can have the same level of success keeping him, drafting well and making other decisions to rebuild through the draft, free agency and other trades in the next few seasons.
You don't like that and don't agree.
I'm sure you'll have plenty of time to repeat that online here while it happens as it seems pretty clear Iginla wants to stay and the team wants to keep him.
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12-01-2011, 11:09 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Vancouver
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There's two things that are most important for me:
1. The Calgary Flames being a successful team and winning a Stanley Cup
2. Watching Jarome lift the Stanley Cup
If both could happen together, that would be the greatest day of my life. However, I just don't see it happening with this squad.
The next best option in my opinion is while the Flames are rebuilding into a solid team, I watch Jarome win half a dozen stanley cups with another team. The most important being the future of the team, trading Jarome would be the best for both.
Also, with Jarome in the lineup, there's no way this team finishes the season in the bottom 5 of the standings.
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12-01-2011, 11:10 PM
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Not a casual user
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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Feaster can say what he wants, but if the right deal is presented to him, Iginla will be traded. It's foolish for him to say Iginla will be a Flame for life.
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12-01-2011, 11:11 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Heavy Jack
Terrible news.
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Terrible news? Come on.
It's always like this. It always has been. It's still far more likely that Iginla will remain a Flame his entire career than not.
Are we rushing to go and trade Iginla?
I have no problem with Iginla staying here his entire career. That should not be "terrible news".
What a joke. Iginla is nothing like Sundin. Until he ditches his team to play with the Canucks, that comparison is an insult.
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12-01-2011, 11:12 PM
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#40
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Bluzman
Sundin saga 2.0
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Yeah no kidding, would sure suck to be in the position Toronto is in right now...oh wait..
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