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Old 11-28-2011, 11:47 AM   #21
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"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind."

Edward Bernays, Propaganda, 1928
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I think it more a condemnation of the U.S. citizens rather than the product. Obviously Time believes that in the United States fluff pieces will draw in more people than hard news stories and that elsewhere in the world, people WANT to read the hard news.
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^Did some of you actually look at post 6?

If you were making a point of american news in general I do agree but you can clearly see the example of "fluff" in Europe and more depth for american journalism at another time.

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"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind."

Edward Bernays, Propaganda, 1928
In 1928, you might have had a point.

Information comes from everywhere and anywhere these days, including so-called citizen journalists, while varying opinions, moderate to radicalized, are equally unfettered for access for the average news consumer.

If you're got something to say, you should have no problem making yourself heard.

You have no excuse at all in this day and age, even in darkest Africa, for not being connected to the information age and viewing all sorts of interpretations of that information in any form you might want.

As a result, the point from 1928 has obviously been blown out of the water. Its virtually impossible to contain information in its rawest form.

The newest trend for news and opinion is websites like The Huffington Post which offer a platform for comment, usually provided for free by those seeking a podium to talk, with profits focussed narrrowly in a few pockets. The electronic, global spanning version of Speakers Corner.

With virtually no overhead, no worrries about print production, no limit on content, no need to send a reporter out to cover a hurricane, ever-expanding readership and therefore large net profit margins, these money-making media opinion websites have been proliferating like rabbits.

You saw the lucrative nature of these new media sites when The Huffington Post was sold recently for hundreds of millions of dollars.

On a smaller scale, Calgarypuck, with content provided for free by volunteers, is pretty much the same thing.

Journalists, who have been engaging in ceaseless whining about shrinking newsrooms for decades, are gravitating towards these alternative information sources, sometimes as a sanctioned sidebar of their traditional employers.

This goes to a very important point - you MUST make a profit in any business, and media is no exception.

With the vast proliferation of means and methods by which a news consumer can view content, competition for eyes is ferocious . . . . . and the smart people who understand the psychological and money-making implications of "Confirmation Bias" and "Hostile Media Phenomenon" are those who will end up with dollars in their pockets.

It's all about how you can make a buck on the media web these days and, more importantly, finding the right formula. The New York Times is back to charging for content. You can view 20 stories from your IP in a month but go over that and you have to pay for content. The first time they tried something like that, they bombed horribly. If I'm not mistaken, this second attempt has netted about three times as many subscribers as they were expecting. They finally found the right way to do it and you can expect their example to proliferate in varying forms.

If you're a normal human being, American or otherwise, you will likely engage in the "comfort food" practice of finding a few sources of information that surround you in a warm blanket, that being a source that tells you your opinion is right versus challenging yourself in the darkest, scariest places you can find.

That is not confined to America. In fact, you could easily argue Americans might be the most likely to see contrary opinions versus, say, the average Pakistani.

The way I see it, media are simply reacting to the demands of consumers, reshaping themselves to a new age and reacting to enhanced competition for eyeballs that are increasingly demanding "confirmation bias."

But that only means you have a rapidly expanding base of sources from which to get your information and the interpretations of that information.

Its up to you to decide if you want to be informed but don't say you can't be informed.

Its a golden age for a news junky.

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I think it more a condemnation of the U.S. citizens rather than the product. Obviously Time believes that in the United States fluff pieces will draw in more people than hard news stories and that elsewhere in the world, people WANT to read the hard news.
Its kind of instructive these days to go to "normal" news sites and see what the top ten "most viewed" or "most e-mailed" or "most popular" stories might be on any given day.

Today the most viewed story in Canada's Globe & Mail is "My Gynecologist Pushed Plastic Surgery On Me" while the most viewed stories in the Washington Post, LA Times and NY Times are decidedly more serious.

Does that make Canadians dummies? No, it just means we're voyeurs and curiousity hounds and that's a helluva headline.

The beauty of our society is that we're free to be as stupid and ill-informed as we personally want to be . . . . or the opposite. No pressure. My experience is that people are experts in their daily lives and when outside events impinge on their lives, like a global recession, they start to expand their horizons a bit to take that information in. Otherwise, don't bother them because they're trying to make ends meet.

And I have no problem with people being more interested in Kim Kardashian's flopped wedding scam than Congress spinning its wheels, simply because they actually DO see both, but they might read the Kardashian headline and story first.

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I do hope you realize that the Daily Show is just as guilty as the major news outlets at misrepresenting a story to enhance a political position. Don't get me wrong; I enjoy the comedy and respect Stewarts prospective but, he is hardly unbiased.

O'Reilly has called Jon on his antics when he has been a guest on the Factor. Stewart has just pointed out that his show is entertainment and therefore shouldn't be measured by journalist standards. I agree with him in part but, I do worry that there are people who don't realize that the Daily Show isn't a good source for news.
Ah yes, Bill O'Reilly -- he's really the person to call someone out on their journalistic standards.

He sells t-shirts and trinkets on the news. Hard hitting stuff.

I think he stole the "Pinheads and Patriots" segment from Walter Cronkite.



You can learn more about reality from Stewart's comedy show than you can from O'Reilly's "news" show.
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Ah yes, Bill O'Reilly -- he's really the person to call someone out on their journalistic standards.

He sells t-shirts and trinkets on the news. Hard hitting stuff.

I think he stole the "Pinheads and Patriots" segment from Walter Cronkite.



You can learn more about reality from Stewart's comedy show than you can from O'Reilly's "news" show.
that's the thing, Stewart outright admits that he's a comedian first and foremost, and that his show isn't to be taken seriously. yet you can't help but take him more seriously than O'Reilly, who seems deluded into thinking that he's actually someone important
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Things are not much better here in Canada....
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Old 11-28-2011, 07:17 PM   #28
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Things are not much better here in Canada....
they are for the simple fact that we don't have a 24 hour news network, or an endless campaign cycle that sucks up so much media attention
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Old 11-28-2011, 07:59 PM   #29
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they are for the simple fact that we don't have a 24 hour news network, or an endless campaign cycle that sucks up so much media attention
We have CBCNHD, CTVNC, and SUN-N to name three that I see on my Bell TV guide. There is also BNN for business news.
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:40 PM   #30
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Jon Stewart is pretty biased. I'm not sure why there's any debate about that. I still enjoy watching him, but let's not paint him as the model of neutrality here.
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:48 PM   #31
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Jon Stewart is pretty biased. I'm not sure why there's any debate about that. I still enjoy watching him, but let's not paint him as the model of neutrality here.
Its pretty funny how some people don't want to admit it.

I like watching Bill O'Rielly. Is he biased? Of course. Still enjoy his show though. I like Stewart though, although I think Colbert is better. They are all biased though.
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Stewart's ideology definitely falls further left than Fox News. But does that make his segments biased towards the Democratic party? Hardly.
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:55 PM   #33
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One of the things I liked about being a cab driver was listening to news radio. Here in Finland the public broadcasting company YLE has a radio channel which sends programs from other public broadcasters; Britain, Canada, US, Australia, Germany, France, Spain, Russia... from BBC they also had programs made in Africa (by the local BBC).

It was really interesting to hear the same top stories covered all over the world. It's not just that in different countries people tend to have different takes on things, but also that the whole discussion of what a situation is about and what's relevant could be totally different.

You also really started to notice for example how much geography actually matters when it comes to on-site reporting and deep insight of situations. Australians for example always had the best coverage on places like India, Indonesia, Thailand and such. Obvious when you think about it, but not something I had thought of previously. ABC (Australian Broadcasting Company) is now on my regular checking list for news.

I sincerely recommend checking out foreign news sources aimed mainly at a local market, not just big international players like BBC.
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Oh, and based on my experience, NPR rocks on a global scale. Especially the discussions and interviews. (Tom Waits fans should get a kick out of their archived artist interviews, for example.)
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Speaking of Australia and each countries different take on world events, I think it is Australia's location that caused them to join the USA in Viet Nam, whereas Canada passed.
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Stewart slams everyone for being ridiculous. He slams all the left wing sensational news stations as well. Fox just does it on a daily if not hourly basis. I'm happy he's around to call them out on some of their ridiculous claims. Colbert is great too for doing much the same thing.
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Stewart slams everyone for being ridiculous. He slams all the left wing sensational news stations as well. Fox just does it on a daily if not hourly basis. I'm happy he's around to call them out on some of their ridiculous claims. Colbert is great too for doing much the same thing.
ya, the biggest difference between Stewart and O'Reilly is that while both may be biased, at least Stewart calls a spade a spade when the left is being ridiculous. he constantly mocks the democrats for being a party that can't get anything done, even within their own ranks
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ya, the biggest difference between Stewart and O'Reilly is that while both may be biased, at least Stewart calls a spade a spade when the left is being ridiculous. he constantly mocks the democrats for being a party that can't get anything done, even within their own ranks
Which is refreshing considering so many want to blame the Republicans for Obama's failure to accomplish anything.
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Ah yes, Bill O'Reilly -- he's really the person to call someone out on their journalistic standards.

He sells t-shirts and trinkets on the news. Hard hitting stuff.

I think he stole the "Pinheads and Patriots" segment from Walter Cronkite.



You can learn more about reality from Stewart's comedy show than you can from O'Reilly's "news" show.
I actually watch Stewart more than O'Reilly but, niether regularly. I'm too lazy to look up the segment but, Jon didn't deny his bias.

Also, those t-shirts and trinkets O'Reilly sells goes to charity. It's not a bad idea to use your fame to help others.
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Bull crap, I was at the dr's office and they had the march version that was the same version that Europe and the rest of the world got. I guess this is just another bit of yellow journalism that caught your attention.
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