Three-time sex offender with "High Risk" to repeat released in Victoria

[rubecube]

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Vi...666/story.html

Awesome work by our criminal justice system again. The leniency with which Canada treats sexual predators is absurd.

[GoinAllTheWay]

That makes no sense. How does someone whom is a "significant risk" who has been in the slammer multiple times for the same thing, and has been thrown back in the day after a release ever get out of jail? The "significant risk" part alone should keep him behind bars indefenitley.

Any why do most predators seem to be cross eyed?

[CaptainCrunch]

Call me a caveman but I think that there is some merit to the concept of life sentences with no parole for repeat violent offenders.

Its pretty clear that nobody feels that this guys can be rehabilitated, unfortunately he served his full sentence so the community is screwed

Lanferman was deemed "not manageable in the community" and was denied statutory release, which is given to the majority offenders after serving two-thirds of their sentence. But because he served his full sentence, he was released without conditions, which worried authorities

Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Vi...#ixzz1eZ5UF9o7

When the conditions of your release include possesion of basically a kidnapping and rape kit theres a serious concern

He is bound by strict conditions. He must abide by a curfew of 9 p.m. to 6 a.m., not consume alcohol or other intoxicants, not frequent bars, liquor stores or anywhere alcohol is sold, must report all relationships with females to his probation officer, and must not possess any knives, weapons, rope, duct tape or other things that could be used to restrain someone.

Read more: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Victoria+police+issue+warning+about+offender+relea sed+today+from+jail/5750666/story.html#ixzz1eZ62Wn55

[Locke]

Maybe they're trying to help him set a record? Lucky number 4?

[rubecube]

It doesn't say what his full sentence was, but I think if you've raped 3 people and are still alive when you get out of prison, the sentence clearly isn't long enough. Too bad Harper's crime bill isn't dealing with any of the substantial holes contained in current criminal legislation. Instead we get War on Drugs Lite.

[burn_this_city]

Shoot, shovel, and shut up.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its pretty clear that nobody feels that this guys can be rehabilitated, unfortunately he served his full sentence so the community is screwed

It just doesn't make sense in North America - we focus our prison system on retribution and not rehabilitation and then complain when criminal's time runs out and they get released as "high risk".

It'd be ideal to have systems like they do in Europe where if they declare that someone isn't rehabilitated and is a high risk to re-offend they stay in prison until they're deemed worthy to re-enter society. But it's impossible to logically do that when your system is to throw criminals in a concrete cell for years and hope they learned their lesson. Most prisoners that get released aren't rehabilitated.

[MaDMaN_26]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It doesn't say what his full sentence was, but I think if you've raped 3 people and are still alive when you get out of prison, the sentence clearly isn't long enough. Too bad Harper's crime bill isn't dealing with any of the substantial holes contained in current criminal legislation. Instead we get War on Drugs Lite.

Don't forget the warrentless online spying built into his crime bill...

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/11...anada-politics

So no worries if he google chats them before he rapes them they will know all about it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by JayP

It just doesn't make sense in North America - we focus our prison system on retribution and not rehabilitation and then complain when criminal's time runs out and they get released as "high risk".

It'd be ideal to have systems like they do in Europe where if they declare that someone isn't rehabilitated and is a high risk to re-offend they stay in prison until they're deemed worthy to re-enter society. But it's impossible to logically do that when your system is to throw criminals in a concrete cell for years and hope they learned their lesson. Most prisoners that get released aren't rehabilitated.

Do you honestly believe that sex offenders like this can be rehabilitated, What they do is a part of their sex drive as it is other factors.

In this case its as much about the need to dominate and assert himself over woman as it is about any kind of sexual gratification.

I believe that the justice system has to be equally distributed between rehabilitation, public safety, and punishment. For someone like this it really falls under a public safety issue and in theory the dangerous offender tag should have really been applied during prosecution, that way there would have been open ended release conditions similar to what you have in europe.

Most lawyers don't seem to be willing to go after that tag because the burden of proof is extremely high.

So yes, I believe its a failure of the justice system because it sounds like all of the available tools weren't applied, nor were all of the possible sentencing options.

[MaDMaN_26]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Do you honestly believe that sex offenders like this can be rehabilitated, What they do is a part of their sex drive as it is other factors.

I don't think he suggested that at all... IMO it sounded Like JayP was just saying if criminals are not rehabilitated then they should remain in jail and they would/do under the European system. He was pointing our system does not try and rehabilitate any criminals, not this guy specifically.

I get your saying out legal system has that exact tool by applying the Dangerous offenders label and that was not done here... a failing of our justice system. Perhaps the issue is the European system applies that judgement at the end of "rehabilitation" where as here we have to some how have the foresight before the sentence is carried out.

[Kidder]

If he really re-offended a day after his release last time, then authorities have every reason to organize some man power and shadow him for a while.

I'm guessing being repressed from his irrepressible urges for so long means it's only a matter of days, if not hours, until he attempts to re-offend, or at least breaks some of his conditions.

[mykalberta]

How is a man who has been convicted of rape 3 times only 44 years old when he gets released after serving his full sentence?

Where is the 3 strikes and your out law in Canada, scratch that, its probably already been proposed but Ontario and Quebec probably wouldnt fund it.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

How is a man who has been convicted of rape 3 times only 44 years old when he gets released after serving his full sentence?

Where is the 3 strikes and your out law in Canada, scratch that, its probably already been proposed but Ontario and Quebec probably wouldnt fund it.

I don't even think it should be three strikes for any violent offenders. One and done, unless you can prove you're fully rehabilitated. At the very least sexual assault should carry much more than the 3-5 years it currently does.

[Coys1882]

Victims can get therapy so it isn't a big deal. It's not like they're dead right? <-- I don't know how to make text green.

[MaDMaN_26]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I don't even think it should be three strikes for any violent offenders. One and done, unless you can prove you're fully rehabilitated. At the very least sexual assault should carry much more than the 3-5 years it currently does.

Wait really? Rape is a 3-5 year term... that's it? How exactly does one get 3 years... they were nice about it? Cried after? That's insane...

Move this to the grinds my gears post... ...

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by MaDMaN_26

Wait really? Rape is a 3-5 year term... that's it? How exactly does one get 3 years... they were nice about it? Cried after? That's insane...

Move this to the grinds my gears post... ...

I think it's a maximum of 10.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Call me a caveman but I think that there is some merit to the concept of life sentences with no parole for repeat violent offenders.

Its pretty clear that nobody feels that this guys can be rehabilitated, unfortunately he served his full sentence so the community is screwed



When the conditions of your release include possesion of basically a kidnapping and rape kit theres a serious concern

This is why the "Three Strikes Your out" was implemented in the US in places. Unfortunately, the controversy happens when you throw the key away for a multiple minor offender.

[3 Justin 3]

As bad as this is, my buddy was telling me that someone in Lloydminster got 18 months for child pornography while some guy who robbed a couple liquor stores got 30 months.

18 months for child pornography? WTF Canada?

Our criminal system is such a joke.

[Devils'Advocate]

I get the impression that Canadians would be happy with a country where:
Penalties are severe. We triple the number of prisons and throw more people away for longer periods of time. And crime is high.

vs

There is a focus on rehabilitation and low recidivism. And crime rates are low and dropping.

In California 7 out of 10 inmates that are released end up back in jail within 3 years. In Canada the recidivism rate of 4.8% according to the department of Public Safety. If you want to look for a "better" rate go ahead... but I challenge you to find one that is as high at 70%. Actually, if you read this:
http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/res/co...407_1-eng.aspx
You will see that for sexual offenders, 70% is closer to the rate that DO NOT REOFFEND. Ever.

As that study states:
- the level of sexual recidivism in sexual offenders is lower than the public commonly believes (too many watching Special Victims Unit?)
- basing policies based on this misbelief would lead to over-supervising low risk offenders

Given our low crime rates and low recidivism, I think our criminal system isn't bad compared to other countries. For those that say ours is a joke, please, I'd love to know which country is doing a better job.

[puckluck]

It would be awesome if a bunch of guys dressed up as superheroes could somehow rid this earth of this scum.