The S.E. gets the short end ...again

[fundmark19]

What about the far NW/NE the cheap housing is there as well. It is not a SE problem it is a total city problem! City council let the city sprawl far to much and now has to pay for it. I could care less if the LRT came to the deep south. Sure it would be great to have a train station 2 blocks from my house. But then you have more rift raft walking around your homes because they can access it. I am totally fine riding the BRT downtown. I bought my Big mac home's in the SE because I liked the area not because I wanted an LRT.

[bizaro86]

As far as the comments about the deep SE (where I don't live) not deserving LRT, I'm not sure I buy that. If estate lots in Aspen are getting walkable LRT service, I'm not sure why McKenzie Towne (which is relatively well designed) shouldn't.

I also think one of the biggest advantages to the SE LRT is the re-development/revitalization potential it will bring to neighbourhoods like Ramsey, Ogden and Lynnview.

[burn_this_city]

Not this crap again. Sprawl is bad, but wherever I live isn't sprawl and thus deserves all the services. Unless you live on Stephen Ave, every part of the city was a parasite at some point.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by fundmark19

Sure it would be great to have a train station 2 blocks from my house. But then you have more rift raft walking around your homes because they can access it.

...and zombies, don't forget the zombies.

[THE SCUD]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Not this crap again. Sprawl is bad, but wherever I live isn't sprawl and thus deserves all the services. Unless you live on Stephen Ave, every part of the city was a parasite at some point.

I think the argument revolves more around the fact that the homes serviced by the west LRT are our City's largest property and provincial tax paying base (as this is a mixture of a municipally and provincially funded project). Therefore, on some level, those folks get the LRT first based on the fact that they have the tax base to have 'paid' for the LRT, whereas the same cannot necessarily be said of the proposed SE LRT, as you have a much lower average property and provincial tax base, coupled to a much more expensive LRT project. It's just not fiscally sound.

However you can always counter that with a 'one-pot' approach.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I also think one of the biggest advantages to the SE LRT is the re-development/revitalization potential it will bring to neighbourhoods like Ramsey, Ogden and Lynnview.

Agreed. As well, something revolutionary is going to happen with the old brewery site in Inglewood (which is part of the whole redevelopment plan of that area). Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to say much more at this point.

[Bigtime]

^^^ Ramsay is a great little community and it just needs the right ingredients to really come into its own. SELRT, and the Ramsay Exchange site could really help with that (but the Ramsay exchange lands are a long shot right now).

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

As far as the comments about the deep SE (where I don't live) not deserving LRT, I'm not sure I buy that. If estate lots in Aspen are getting walkable LRT service, I'm not sure why McKenzie Towne (which is relatively well designed) shouldn't.

I also think one of the biggest advantages to the SE LRT is the re-development/revitalization potential it will bring to neighbourhoods like Ramsey, Ogden and Lynnview.

That's not really what I said, just that they have to wait. The West waited 20 years. The city has only made things worse by continuing to support SE development without the infrastructure plans to support those communities.

It's not really anything negative about the people who live there, just that this is what happens when the city builds without regard for future infrastructure requirements.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

^^^ Ramsay is a great little community and it just needs the right ingredients to really come into its own. SELRT, and the Ramsay Exchange site could really help with that (but the Ramsay exchange lands are a long shot right now).

Ramsay is nice, but it's so cut off and it's really a tiny community, similarly with Inglewood. Access to both of those communities is a bit of a nightmare sometimes. If anything is backed up on 9AVE you're done.

[YYC in LAX]

With all these new train lines being built, I'm getting really worried that a terrorist might run one of them into the Calgary Tower or Saddledome, or The Bow or something. Am I alone?

[THE SCUD]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

With all these new train lines being built, I'm getting really worried that a terrorist might run one of them into the Calgary Tower or Saddledome, or The Bow or something. Am I alone?

Hopefully we see airport-grade security on the C-train in the 2012 #yyc budget.

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by THE SCUD

Hopefully we see airport-grade security on the C-train in the 2012 #yyc budget.

I'm a step ahead of you. I've already sent Nenshi a few emails on the topic.

Okay, I'm just glad I'm not the only one who proactively thinks about this stuff.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by YYC in LAX

With all these new train lines being built, I'm getting really worried that a terrorist might run one of them into the Calgary Tower or Saddledome, or The Bow or something. Am I alone?

Maybe I don't get this, but I think you'd have a hell of a time getting the C-Train off its tracks and across stampede park to the dome. Someone could plant a bomb or something, but Calgary's not exactly London/Madrid/New York. Even if you did manage to derail it, it's going to stop once it gets away from its power source.

Also, if I have to go through airport style security theatre to use the train I'll start driving to work.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Ramsay is nice, but it's so cut off and it's really a tiny community, similarly with Inglewood. Access to both of those communities is a bit of a nightmare sometimes. If anything is backed up on 9AVE you're done.

So improved transportation infrastructure would be a real plus, then?

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by ken0042

For the SE line, most of the land has already been secured.

Do you have a link or just a general location of the land they've secured for the SE line? I've always been curious exactly where it's going to go.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

So improved transportation infrastructure would be a real plus, then?

Not really, both Inglewood and Ramsay suffer from physical size limitations that prevent them from becoming whole communities. The SE transit plan for Ramsay exchange is still a hike for most Ramsay residents, and all it gets you is into downtown and back, and deep south, but most residents aren't likely going there.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

Do you have a link or just a general location of the land they've secured for the SE line? I've always been curious exactly where it's going to go.

This is the best I've seen; pages 8-9
http://www.calgarytransit.com/pdf/So...Compendium.pdf

I know the north part isn't set in stone yet, but pretty much all of Highfield and south is a done deal.

The info about the land being secured came from what was said in the open houses. That and the signs you see around that say "There will eventually be an LRT line here- so don't bitch when this green space gets replaced with train track." (Or words to that effect.)

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

Do you have a link or just a general location of the land they've secured for the SE line? I've always been curious exactly where it's going to go.

Pretty easy to see actually if you follow along in google maps.

Starting from 22x and 52nd:

Up 52nd to 130th.

Cuts in behind superstore and canadian tire and runs along side Deerfoot to and then Barlow.

Turns West and then crosses under Barlow and just north of 114th ave and down into Douglasglen.

Turns north, just east of 24th st and up by Quarry Park.

Crosses over Shepard road and Glenmore and goes north between Ogden Road and the irrigation canal.

Bends west just south of old refinery park and crosses the river south of the sewage treatment plant.

Heads north up the corridor where the CN line is into Highfield.

Up 11th st- ish area and turns west somewhere to get into downtown.

[Northendzone]

i wonder if there is enough room along 52nd to lay down two sets of tracks? i'd sure hate to live in those condos that back onto 52nd

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Muta

Agreed. As well, something revolutionary is going to happen with the old brewery site in Inglewood (which is part of the whole redevelopment plan of that area). Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to say much more at this point.

Well I can't let this little tidbit get buried in the thread unnoticed. So let me start rumours here: will it be the new home of the Calgary Flames?

Either way, I'm interested in heating more cryptic and vague details, as you're able to leak them.