Minor Hockey Calgary

[showtime]

I was just wondering what people we're thinking about the new head shot rule being called in minor hockey. I like the theory behind the rule but in practice not so much.

I've never seen so many double minors in my life. We've had refs straight up say to our bench if you hit certain players because they are small it will automatically be a penalty because they are so so small you hit there head no matter what. Or a player hip checks and gets called for hit to the head cause the players head hit the glass. Seems the rule could use some major tweaking. But was wondering what other peoples thoughts on the rule has been so far.

[Cheerio]

I agree, its a good idea in principle, but the implementation is horrible. Almost every hit is a penalty in one way or another. My brother plays for the Royals and I went to one of his games on the weekend and I think there was a grand total of 5 minutes of 5 on 5 (and it wasn't like it was a dirty game).

[troutman]

Why is Minor Hockey Week not being offered for Novice this year? Age discrimination.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by showtime

I was just wondering what people we're thinking about the new head shot rule being called in minor hockey. I like the theory behind the rule but in practice not so much.

I've never seen so many double minors in my life. We've had refs straight up say to our bench if you hit certain players because they are small it will automatically be a penalty because they are so so small you hit there head no matter what. Or a player hip checks and gets called for hit to the head cause the players head hit the glass. Seems the rule could use some major tweaking. But was wondering what other peoples thoughts on the rule has been so far.

If so, thats a joke.

Only a matter of time until hitting is taken out of minor hockey..

[showtime]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

If so, thats a joke.

Only a matter of time until hitting is taken out of minor hockey..

It's definitely starting to look that way. Minor Hockey in Calgary has always been a league where a big hit equals a penalty. This year its basically any hit is a penalty.

The reffing this year has been the worst i've ever seen. It has never been good in Calgary but this year its definitely been special and in the fact the refs are basically told they can do no wrong and wham penalty filled games where they cant even explain why they are calling something.

The refs dont even seem to know the rules anymore. For instance did you know the crease isnt just the blue paint but the blue line around the crease as well. The suggestion that that extra line is for ringette was responded with youre an idiot.


And really no more Esso for Novice?

[troutman]

Anyone that complains about reffing in Minor Hockey needs to get a grip.

[showtime]

Originally Posted by troutman

Anyone that complains about reffing in Minor Hockey needs to get a grip.

Spoken like someone who has never played a high level of hockey or had kids in a high level of hockey.

The refs are being paid to be there, and its not to much to ask they know the rules. Nor is it ridiculous to question the reffing when their lack of knowledge of the rules and poor reffing puts the players safety at risk.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by showtime

It's definitely starting to look that way. Minor Hockey in Calgary has always been a league where a big hit equals a penalty. This year its basically any hit is a penalty.

HOCKEY CANADA HEAD CONTACT RULE WEBSITE: http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php...44/la_id/1.htm

HOCKEY CANADA HEAD CONTACT RULE VIDEO: http://czrc.goalline.ca/page.php?page_id=23070

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php...1/ss_id/63168/

Items approved by Hockey Canada’s board of directors during this year’s AGM include:

• zero tolerance measures for all head contact or checks in minor, female, junior and senior hockey:
  • in minor and female hockey, a minor penalty shall be assessed for all accidental hits to the head, while a double minor penalty, or a major and game misconduct at the discretion of the referee based on the degree of violence of impact, shall be assessed for any intentional contact to the head;

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[showtime]

[QUOTE=calculoso;3387889]HOCKEY CANADA HEAD CONTACT RULE WEBSITE: http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php...44/la_id/1.htm

HOCKEY CANADA HEAD CONTACT RULE VIDEO: http://czrc.goalline.ca/page.php?page_id=23070

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php...1/ss_id/63168/[/QUOTE

I know the rule and I know how its worded. Like I said good in theory not in practice when a hip check is ruled as a hit to the head then there are major problems. Leave the city go to a country team, or Red Deer its called with some discretion whereas Calgary has their refs basically eliminating hitting from the game.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by showtime

Spoken like someone who has never played a high level of hockey or had kids in a high level of hockey.

Irrelevant. Why do you think it is so hard to find people willing to be refs?

http://www.hockeycalgary.ca/assets/f...commitment.pdf

I openly support and respect the decisions of officials and set an example for my child and other parents in doing so.

I would agree that parents should speak-up about safety issues.

[hockeycop]

[QUOTE=showtime;3388193]

Originally Posted by calculoso

HOCKEY CANADA HEAD CONTACT RULE WEBSITE: http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php...44/la_id/1.htm

HOCKEY CANADA HEAD CONTACT RULE VIDEO: http://czrc.goalline.ca/page.php?page_id=23070

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php...1/ss_id/63168/[/QUOTE

I know the rule and I know how its worded. Like I said good in theory not in practice when a hip check is ruled as a hit to the head then there are major problems. Leave the city go to a country team, or Red Deer its called with some discretion whereas Calgary has their refs basically eliminating hitting from the game.

If a hip check is being called a head contact penalty because a head hits glass (or ice), then the official is making a rule interpretation error.

Keep in mind, this is another year with a tremendous learning curve (like when the obstruction calls were pushed). We've done it before and we will do it again.

BIG HIT does not equal HEAD CONTACT! This is something I have been stressing to Officials thast I have been out to see and coach. I have seen the double minor be over-called a bit, but the refs are adjusting.

Personally, I think this new rule is a knee-jerk reaction to crap like "crisis on ice" and some things that happened during the off season. It was a tough year for hockey and it really shook some people up.

Hitting is not in danger of being taken out of the game. The associations create "recreational" non-contact leagues for the helicopter parents who don't want to be worried.

[hockeycop]

Originally Posted by showtime

Spoken like someone who has never played a high level of hockey or had kids in a high level of hockey.

The refs are being paid to be there, and its not to much to ask they know the rules. Nor is it ridiculous to question the reffing when their lack of knowledge of the rules and poor reffing puts the players safety at risk.

Do you offer a perfection class?

I bet your kid has never turned over a puck, made a defensive mistake, gone offside, got a penalty... Just like the refs shouldn't ever miss a call (or god forbid, interpret a situation different than the mighty hockey dad).

Throw on the stripes and show me how it's done. Even at my level, I still make mistakes. I even had a nice man tell me to go back to pee-wee last night... He must have taken your class.

Or maybe I have never been involved in the game at a high level...

[showtime]

Originally Posted by hockeycop

Do you offer a perfection class?

I bet your kid has never turned over a puck, made a defensive mistake, gone offside, got a penalty... Just like the refs shouldn't ever miss a call (or god forbid, interpret a situation different than the mighty hockey dad).

Throw on the stripes and show me how it's done. Even at my level, I still make mistakes. I even had a nice man tell me to go back to pee-wee last night... He must have taken your class.

Or maybe I have never been involved in the game at a high level...

It has nothing to do with making mistakes. Of course they make mistakes, same as any player.

Interpreting a situation different happens all the time. When you ask a ref to come over and explain the call, simply stating " This is how I saw it...." opposed to " This is what happened " or refusing to address anyone at all would solve a lot of problems.

Nor did I say anything about missed calls. I understand miss calls happen, and bad calls happen. I have reffed in the passed but missed and bad calls have very little to do with not knowing the rules. You cant honestly tell me you make the mistake of what the crease is or playing two man system puck is deep in attacking zone, and the second ref is at the defensive blue line?

That said the ref we had last night was fantastic, no i didnt agree with all his calls, but he was consistent and asking him before the game about the head shot rule actually called it the way the rule is written and as a result zero double minors called. The result a fast paced game with lots of 5 on 5, where everyone knows what to expect in terms of calls.

[Northendzone]

My son only plays atom, so no hitting.....but it grates on my nerves when folks swquak about reffing in minor hockey - for the ones who complain about it, I say pull on the stripes and show us how it is done....

Like any rule changes this one will be painful until later in the season and the end of the day it is ultimately about player safety

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by troutman

Why is Minor Hockey Week not being offered for Novice this year? Age discrimination.

Brutal! The only year I ever won the damn thing was Novice 1 champs 1998!