The NBA . . . . . gone and forgotten

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I would love to see them outlaw dunks. Maybe see something other than giants slam dunking the ball.

Riiiiight. I take it you only watch highlights.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

Riiiiight. I take it you only watch highlights.

Try not to watch highlights. But I'm sure that if I were 6'7 and I was within say 4' of the rim it's not going to be too terribly hard to get a bucket... However I think the NBA is terrible product.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Try not to watch highlights. But I'm sure that if I were 6'7 and I was within say 4' of the rim it's not going to be too terribly hard to get a bucket... However I think the NBA is terrible product.

I guess you didn't realize that in a real game there is actually 5 guys from the other team trying to prevent you from doing that. Maybe you should just stick to other threads.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I'll start watching basketball when it goes full contact, until then it's just netball for black guys.

An ignorant comment from Afc? Say it ain't so

In all honesty I used to think basketball was non-contact, then I started playing it. Even a pick-up league it gets pretty physical, totally changed my viewpoint on the game.

[V]

I've played the game for years, and it drives me nuts how terrible the professional product is. And the majority of stars are so incredibly unlikeable, I have no idea how it draws the numbers that it does.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by valo403

An ignorant comment from Afc? Say it ain't so

In all honesty I used to think basketball was non-contact, then I started playing it. Even a pick-up league it gets pretty physical, totally changed my viewpoint on the game.

Actually it was only half ignorant, its too late now but if I was going to design a game like basketball I would allow soccer like contact and guarding etc so that it became a game of 15 or 20 point scores and became more of a physical team game.

I have, incidently played basketball in high school (which was pretty rare in the UK) and it is a fun game to play, but I find it boring as all get out to watch.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Actually it was only half ignorant, its too late now but if I was going to design a game like basketball I would allow soccer like contact and guarding etc so that it became a game of 15 or 20 point scores and became more of a physical team game.

I have, incidently played basketball in high school (which was pretty rare in the UK) and it is a fun game to play, but I find it boring as all get out to watch.

Soccer like contact? So less contact?

[The Big Chill]

As per TSN the players have rejected the latest offer and are looking to disband the union. I think this basically ends the season unless there is a small miracle.

[Joborule]

What's the purpose in disbanding the union here?

[dustyanddaflames]

Haven't really followed this - but does anyone else find it weird that Derek Fisher is leading the players? Or is there someone else "behind the scenes", and Fisher is just doing all the talking?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Joborule

What's the purpose in disbanding the union here?

I assume it's the same plan as the NFLPA, decertify the union then bring an anti-trust suit

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by Joborule

What's the purpose in disbanding the union here?

I'm no expert, but without a union the players can sue the nba and challenge the legality of the lockout. It basically comes down to a judge ruling now, who can decide whether or not the owners are allowed to lock the doors. I think that if the judge decides that the owners cannot lock the doors that they will temporarily use the old CBA while they try to agree on a new one.

This is just what I remember from the NFL lockout and I could easily have some details wrong here. Basically it goes to court which takes a long time to process.

[Cheese]

n/m

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by valo403

I assume it's the same plan as the NFLPA, decertify the union then bring an anti-trust suit

Didn't that not work though?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Didn't that not work though?

I don't think it ever got to the point of working or failing before they struck a deal, although to be honest I didn't pay that close of attention to it.

The big difference here is that at this point I would think the season is all but lost, so there's less reason to get a deal done as opposed to letting the courts sort out the issues. It could set some ground changing precedent for professional sports in America.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by dustyanddaflames

Haven't really followed this - but does anyone else find it weird that Derek Fisher is leading the players? Or is there someone else "behind the scenes", and Fisher is just doing all the talking?

Executive director Billy Hunter is really the guy who's calling the shots. He's been in his role for 15 years, and he appointed the legal council that seemed determined to go with the antirtust strategy from day 1. There's also a powerful group of agents who have been pushing a similar agenda to their players. The rank and file player membership didn't get to vote on the current proposal, and probably won't get a say on decertification.

[Resolute 14]

Honestly, I wish a judge would stand up to a union that pretends to disband. As far as I am concerned, this is bad faith negotiating on the part of the NBAPA, as it was on the part of the NFLPA.

[nik-]

The pictures of Derek Fisher and Billy Hunter with all the players standing in the back in some "show of solidarity" are just incredibly hilarious to me. Fight on against those injustices NBA players ... fight on.

[getbak]

https://twitter.com/#!/DownGoesBrown...64838329171968

Originally Posted by @DownGoesBrown

So... if you're an NBA fan/folk singer who can make up rumors, now would probably be a good time to start an anonymous blog.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dustyanddaflames

Haven't really followed this - but does anyone else find it weird that Derek Fisher is leading the players? Or is there someone else "behind the scenes", and Fisher is just doing all the talking?

Any sports union has a player, or several more factually, who are in on negotiations. Nothing unusual about that at all.

I think it was about this time last year after listening to several people who were to be involved in this thing, that i pretty much surmised the NBA would lose at least an entire season...and it really does look like it will go that way at this point.