2011 NCAA football thread

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Just because you hope so? Or do you actually have any evidence? I can say the NCAA has dug around and found nothing. What do you have?

Cheating doesn't benefit UT. As in the above article, they report people who are asking for money, because in a level playing field UT gets all the recruits. Worst thing they will find is a booster bought some players some drinks or something small like that. As people say "Mack Brown doesn't recruit, he selects."

Based on the last few years perhaps he should try recruiting

You're right though, a level playing field does benefit the likes of Texas. That doesn't mean they don't run afoul of the rules though. You could have said pretty much the same thing about OSU. That said, absent some sort of evidence, or at least a rumor, this is just Tranny trolling.

[Montana Moe]

Good two-part column on a day in the life of Kirk Herbstreit/College Gameday:

Kirk Herbstreit - The Face of College Football

This is Herbstreit's life in a nutshell, a running conversation about college football that never really ceases. Few men have become true celebrities talking exclusively about football on television. John Madden is probably the most famous living football talker, the NFL head coach who stepped off the field and into the broadcast booth. Along the way Madden's last name became a verb, a video game, a lifestyle, and a brand...

"If I left (the show) I would want to go coach," Herbstreit says, "I'd want to be a high school coach at a program where it really mattered or I've talked with Urban (Meyer) about if he gets back into coaching being a quarterbacks coach and eventually an offensive coordinator for him."

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Just because you hope so? Or do you actually have any evidence? I can say the NCAA has dug around and found nothing. What do you have?

Cheating doesn't benefit UT. As in the above article, they report people who are asking for money, because in a level playing field UT gets all the recruits. Worst thing they will find is a booster bought some players some drinks or something small like that. As people say "Mack Brown doesn't recruit, he selects."

Stoops is another guy who runs a clean program.

I will be one to say it, Every school cheats. Florida cheats, UT cheats, OU cheats, Bama, AU, Oregon ect. The difference is how much and how bad. Schools like Bama, FSU and Miami take things to another level. Hell Oregon has to build a teenagers playground and have a gimmick offense along with uniforms to get kids to go there plus paying "recruiters" for recruits.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I will be one to say it, Every school cheats. Florida cheats, UT cheats, OU cheats, Bama, AU, Oregon ect. The difference is how much and how bad. Schools like Bama, FSU and Miami take things to another level. Hell Oregon has to build a teenagers playground and have a gimmick offense along with uniforms to get kids to go there plus paying "recruiters" for recruits.

Where's the cheating there? I'm not an Oregon fan but building a state of the art complex and having different uniforms is pretty standard. I guess you'd say Florida is cheating because they spent $28mil on their new complex and have rolled out some different uniforms in the last few years (and a UF fan calling out a gimmick offense is also pretty hilarious).

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I will be one to say it, Every school cheats. Florida cheats, UT cheats, OU cheats, Bama, AU, Oregon ect. The difference is how much and how bad. Schools like Bama, FSU and Miami take things to another level. Hell Oregon has to build a teenagers playground and have a gimmick offense along with uniforms to get kids to go there plus paying "recruiters" for recruits.

Yup yup. Every single school breaks the rules....just to what degree and how harsh the following sanctions are, is there a grey area. The NCAA is as corrupt as any single school it oversees as evidenced by several recent decisions.

That said, absent some sort of evidence, or at least a rumor, this is just Tranny trolling.

Get bent. You have zero idea why i have that opinion, and you certainly are the last person on this board to label anyone as "trolling" and have any validity behind it. Laughable.

Just because you hope so? Or do you actually have any evidence? I can say the NCAA has dug around and found nothing. What do you have?

I have no desire to see any school get demolished by sanctions....strange thing to say. What do I have? An opinion...hope that's OK with you. If not....too damn bad as I have every right to mine as you do with yours.

As people say "Mack Brown doesn't recruit, he selects."

There are several schools who can "select" as they see fit...you think Saban or Miles or even Kiffin have to recruit any harder than Mack Brown?
Not a chance.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by valo403

Where's the cheating there? I'm not an Oregon fan but building a state of the art complex and having different uniforms is pretty standard. I guess you'd say Florida is cheating because they spent $28mil on their new complex and have rolled out some different uniforms in the last few years (and a UF fan calling out a gimmick offense is also pretty hilarious).

No I'm just saying that with out nike being an Alum and all his millions of dollars with gimmicks to get players in including "recruiting services"

Edit: as for the gimmick offense part, Look what that gimmick offense did for us. We had a coach that never stayed at any school for any period of time, recruited thugs and criminals and quit twice leaving us with a roster full of small under sized fast guys that get their asses handed to them week after week. Meyer and his gimmick lasted for a few years and then once coaches caught on to the scheme it was over and he bailed. Spurrier's gimmick was a great gimmick that works well in college but failed in the NFL.

[PIMking]

Kids from texas that are good go to Texas as their first choice. Texas gets to pick and choose who they want from that state.

[moon]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Kids from texas that are good go to Texas as their first choice. Texas gets to pick and choose who they want from that state.

I think AP was pretty good coming our of high school I have a hard time believing Texas told him to take a hike.

I think Texas had as good a selection as anyone but not sure it is that much, if better, than what the other top 5 teams like Bama, Oklahoma , LSU, Florida and USC have.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by moon

I think AP was pretty good coming our of high school I have a hard time believing Texas told him to take a hike.

I think Texas had as good a selection as anyone but not sure it is that much, if better, than what the other top 5 teams like Bama, Oklahoma , LSU, Florida and USC have.

No doubt but in CFB recruiting some players don't make it in for numerous reason (not saying this is AP's deal) but full at RB class, grades, they (school) thought someone was a better fit ect. It happens all the time, Look at UF we coaxed Brantley to come back to UF after he committed to Texas. He is a Gator legacy and came to UF when it would of probably suited him better by going to UT instead of UF. Recruiting is a crap shoot really, some kids may be freaks in HS but that could be to the talent they're playing, that could be that they're just physically more mature than those other HS kids and reached their peak in HS and never make it to the big show in the CFB world. Some "cant miss" prospects end up being huge misses while some come in as 2-3*'s and make it big.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yup yup. Every single school breaks the rules....just to what degree and how harsh the following sanctions are, is there a grey area. The NCAA is as corrupt as any single school it oversees as evidenced by several recent decisions.



Get bent. You have zero idea why i have that opinion, and you certainly are the last person on this board to label anyone as "trolling" and have any validity behind it. Laughable.



I have no desire to see any school get demolished by sanctions....strange thing to say. What do I have? An opinion...hope that's OK with you. If not....too damn bad as I have every right to mine as you do with yours.



There are several schools who can "select" as they see fit...you think Saban or Miles or even Kiffin have to recruit any harder than Mack Brown?
Not a chance.

So you have an opinion that Texas will be the next big program to face NCAA trouble, but you have absolutely nothing to back that opinion up. Okay

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by moon

I think AP was pretty good coming our of high school I have a hard time believing Texas told him to take a hike.

I think Texas had as good a selection as anyone but not sure it is that much, if better, than what the other top 5 teams like Bama, Oklahoma , LSU, Florida and USC have.

Texas didn't tell him to take a hike, but they did say he wouldn't start over Cedric Benson. Whether he would have chosen UT otherwise, who knows, but it began and ended when Texas told him he wouldn't start as a freshman.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yup yup. Every single school breaks the rules....just to what degree and how harsh the following sanctions are, is there a grey area. The NCAA is as corrupt as any single school it oversees as evidenced by several recent decisions.



Get bent. You have zero idea why i have that opinion, and you certainly are the last person on this board to label anyone as "trolling" and have any validity behind it. Laughable.



I have no desire to see any school get demolished by sanctions....strange thing to say. What do I have? An opinion...hope that's OK with you. If not....too damn bad as I have every right to mine as you do with yours.



There are several schools who can "select" as they see fit...you think Saban or Miles or even Kiffin have to recruit any harder than Mack Brown?
Not a chance.

I never said it wasn't ok for you to have an opinion, but you seem to have formed yours for no reason, except for hatred of the longhorns? You offer no explanation of why you have that opinion. Latest news has UT reporting illegal recruiters 2 years ago, which would point to not cheating, but you seem to have evidence of the contrary.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Texas didn't tell him to take a hike, but they did say he wouldn't start over Cedric Benson. Whether he would have chosen UT otherwise, who knows, but it began and ended when Texas told him he wouldn't start as a freshman.

Lots of kids will go to mediocre (not saying OU is) to get playing time. Cj Spiller comes to mind, he could of went to a school and sat for a year or even try hard and beat out the starter at a school but he rather go to a school were he would be "the guy". Some kids have a me first attitude and can care less about the team.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Lots of kids will go to mediocre (not saying OU is) to get playing time. Cj Spiller comes to mind, he could of went to a school and sat for a year or even try hard and beat out the starter at a school but he rather go to a school were he would be "the guy". Some kids have a me first attitude and can care less about the team.

I wouldn't characterize that as a me first attitude every time though. Lots of guys want to be someone who can lead a team, not someone who plays a small role. They want to be someone who can lift a team to another level.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by valo403

I wouldn't characterize that as a me first attitude every time though. Lots of guys want to be someone who can lead a team, not someone who plays a small role. They want to be someone who can lift a team to another level.

I understand that, I guess I just didn't explain it well enough.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I understand that, I guess I just didn't explain it well enough.

You were right though, plenty of guys do have 'if I'm not getting the ball I don't want to play' attitude.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by valo403

So you have an opinion that Texas will be the next big program to face NCAA trouble, but you have absolutely nothing to back that opinion up. Okay

I have reason to believe that...yes. Is that OK with you?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sowa

I never said it wasn't ok for you to have an opinion, but you seem to have formed yours for no reason, except for hatred of the longhorns? You offer no explanation of why you have that opinion. Latest news has UT reporting illegal recruiters 2 years ago, which would point to not cheating, but you seem to have evidence of the contrary.

If you say so....i think your complete devotion and unadulterated love of all things Longhorn has you seeing things however you want....i dont have a big hate for Texas, not a fan or anything but i hardly hate them more than any other school.

Hard to hate a school that puts up 5 points against Mizzou...

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I have reason to believe that...yes. Is that OK with you?

It sure is, but if you aren't going to share it I'm going to continue to think you're full of it.

I'm not sure why you'd expect anyone to think you're doing anything but trolling if you aren't going to make any attempt whatsoever to support your claim.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by valo403

It sure is, but if you aren't going to share it I'm going to continue to think you're full of it.

I'm not sure why you'd expect anyone to think you're doing anything but trolling if you aren't going to make any attempt whatsoever to support your claim.

I honestly could not care any less what you think. I owe you no explanation for anything...period.