Penn State football officials implicated in covering up on campus child rape by coach

[gargamel]

My judgement isn't based on evidence from the report; it's based on admissions in the report. McQueary admitted to what I'm accusing him of. Paterno has not admitted to what everyone is accusing him of. That's the difference.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by gargamel

My judgement isn't based on evidence from the report; it's based on admissions in the report. McQueary admitted to what I'm accusing him of. Paterno has not admitted to what everyone is accusing him of. That's the difference.

What has Paterno not admitted to that people are accusing him of? People are accusing him of not doing more. He has admitted that he did not do anything beyond simply reporting to a superior, a superior who was also far more influential than and was significantly higher paid than.

[gargamel]

People are assuming that Paterno knew or at least believed that Sandusky was molesting and raping children. Paterno has not admitted that and the grand jury report is ambiguous about what McQuery claims to have told Paterno.

[afc wimbledon]

I personally think US education would be better off if college sports and the NCAA were done away with.
It is supposed to be an education system not a multi million dollar league.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by gargamel

People are assuming that Paterno knew or at least believed that Sandusky was molesting and raping children. Paterno has not admitted that and the grand jury report is ambiguous about what McQuery claims to have told Paterno.

The grand jury report indicates that Paterno was aware of inappropriate actions between Sandusky and a young boy in the shower of his locker room. I think that's sufficient to demand more than simply telling your boss, especially when (as I noted) you're the most powerful person at the university.

[MRCboicgy]

Theo and Sheldon chime in.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7...-state-scandal

[gargamel]

The report indicates that Paterno was told of inappropriate actions between Sandusky and a young boy, but we don't know what exactly he was told or how credible he believed the accusation to be. Maybe he thought the accusation was true but chose to protect his friend. If so, he's a disgrace and deserves all the public shaming that he's receiving. If not, then it's a real shame that his previously spotless reputation has been ruined before all the facts are in.

[Reaper]

Well, here's my take.

McQueary - Despite having reported the incident to Paterno he should have known that it was covered up when Sandusky continued to show up for work and remained involved with a children's charity. I know that it might have been difficult for him to risk being blackballed in the realm of college football but he should have gone to the police about the allegations. Who knows how many children's lives he could have saved from being ruined by stepping up to the plate and reporting the incident to the police? The innocence of a child is more important than whether or not a person gets to eventually be employed in their dream job.

Paterno - As bad as the Catholic Church when high ranking officials covered up the sexual assault of many, many children for whatever reason they chose to justify their actions. He is even more guilty than McQueary because he was the man at the top of the totem pole and he chose to protect his friend and football program instead of protecting children. Reporting the incident to the director of the athletic department? Come on, this is not a question of internal protocol. There would be nowhere in the world where the rape of children is considered a judgement call. I hope he swings for his role in the coverup.

Sandusky - A truly horrible person if the allegations are true. How sick is he? He gets involved with children's charities so that he has an avenue for exploiting and raping children? I hope he is accidentally released into general population if convicted.

The University officials - They should be convicted as accomplices after the fact by trying to cover up both the reported incident as well as the fact that they employed an alleged child rapist as a member of their football team's coaching staff. If they are ever released I hope they are never able to gain any sort of meaningful employment again. They put their own interests ahead of the innocence of children. They are not fit to be involved in society.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Well, here's my take.

McQueary - Despite having reported the incident to Paterno he should have known that it was covered up when Sandusky continued to show up for work and remained involved with a children's charity. I know that it might have been difficult for him to risk being blackballed in the realm of college football but he should have gone to the police about the allegations. Who knows how many children's lives he could have saved from being ruined by stepping up to the plate and reporting the incident to the police? The innocence of a child is more important than whether or not a person gets to eventually be employed in their dream job.

Paterno - As bad as the Catholic Church when high ranking officials covered up the sexual assault of many, many children for whatever reason they chose to justify their actions. He is even more guilty than McQueary because he was the man at the top of the totem pole and he chose to protect his friend and football program instead of protecting children. Reporting the incident to the director of the athletic department? Come on, this is not a question of internal protocol. There would be nowhere in the world where the rape of children is considered a judgement call. I hope he swings for his role in the coverup.

Sandusky - A truly horrible person if the allegations are true. How sick is he? He gets involved with children's charities so that he has an avenue for exploiting and raping children? I hope he is accidentally released into general population if convicted.

The University officials - They should be convicted as accomplices after the fact by trying to cover up both the reported incident as well as the fact that they employed an alleged child rapist as a member of their football team's coaching staff. If they are ever released I hope they are never able to gain any sort of meaningful employment again. They put their own interests ahead of the innocence of children. They are not fit to be involved in society.

I largely agree, just wanted to note that Sandusky was long retired from coaching when these allegations surfaced.

[gargamel]

One more for Reaper's list:

District attorney's office - disgusting that they allowed Sandusky to remain free for who knows how long just to make sure that Paterno could set the record for wins without this cloud hanging over the program. They knew about these specific allegations for 3 years and they expect us to believe it's a coincidence that they filed the complaint a week after Paterno set the record? I don't know how much blame Paterno deserves in this, but even if he's blameless, that record shouldn't be a factor when kids' safety is at stake.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Just read in the Herald over lunch that Sandusky was accused of raping kids while teaching at a High School.

They fired him, barred him from campus and called the police.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by valo403

I largely agree, just wanted to note that Sandusky was long retired from coaching when these allegations surfaced.

I dunno about long retired. He retired in 1999. He allegedly anally raped a ten year old boy in 2002 in the lockerroom shower.

I'll conceed he was retired but not long retired. I would surmise that most child rapists don't wait until they are retired to begin their pedophila. I think the school officials probably had this line of thinking as well.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by gargamel

One more for Reaper's list:

District attorney's office - disgusting that they allowed Sandusky to remain free for who knows how long just to make sure that Paterno could set the record for wins without this cloud hanging over the program. They knew about these specific allegations for 3 years and they expect us to believe it's a coincidence that they filed the complaint a week after Paterno set the record? I don't know how much blame Paterno deserves in this, but even if he's blameless, that record shouldn't be a factor when kids' safety is at stake.

Quite the leap there, especially since you're doing the whole let's not rush to judgement thing in relation to Paterno (but are okay with it elsewhere). There could be a number of reasons why a case wasn't brought, the primary one being a need to gather evidence that would make this case a slam dunk. This is about as high profile of a case as their could possibly be, leaving the smallest opening could result in massive consequences for the DA.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Reaper

I dunno about long retired. He retired in 1999. He allegedly anally raped a ten year old boy in 2002 in the lockerroom shower.

I'll conceed he was retired but not long retired. I would surmise that most child rapists don't wait until they are retired to begin their pedophila. I think the school officials probably had this line of thinking as well.

The fact is he wasn't a coach when these allegations surfaced. Whether or not he was coaching when he committed the acts is another story altogether.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Reaper

I dunno about long retired. He retired in 1999. He allegedly anally raped a ten year old boy in 2002 in the lockerroom shower.

I'll conceed he was retired but not long retired. I would surmise that most child rapists don't wait until they are retired to begin their pedophila. I think the school officials probably had this line of thinking as well.

And was seen fellating (or getting felated) by a boy in 2000 by a janitor who reported it to his superior, who in turn did nothing. Why? Fear of getting fired.

Sick as it is, they were right (but also very wrong). Given how the university has handled it I would bet they were correct that they would have been fired and the incident hushed.


As for what should happen? Every single person who new from Paterno to the President of the University needs to be punished. Let's just say it is times like this I wish Dexter was real.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by valo403

Quite the leap there, especially since you're doing the whole let's not rush to judgement thing in relation to Paterno (but are okay with it elsewhere). There could be a number of reasons why a case wasn't brought, the primary one being a need to gather evidence that would make this case a slam dunk. This is about as high profile of a case as their could possibly be, leaving the smallest opening could result in massive consequences for the DA.

I know how an investigation works and am well aware that it can take years. It's hard for me to believe that's is purely a coincidence that they just happened to get their ducks in a row the week after Paterno set the record, but you're right that I'm not giving them the same benefit of the doubt that I'm giving Paterno (and you're not giving Paterno the same benefit of the doubt that you're giving the DA). I guess that's wrong of us, but we're not costing anyone their job or their reputation. We're just idiots on a message board so we can blame whoever we want based on our snap judgments and preexisting biases. We should be able to expect a more measured response from reporters, but sadly, we can't.

[socalwingfan]

Here's an article from 7 months ago, basically summarizing the worst case sceanario if charges were ever brought up against Sandusky

http://www.timesonline.com/columnist...r-comment-area

[afc wimbledon]

Having spent years working with peadophiles I can say with certainty that hundreds more victims will start to come foward, he had wide access to thousands of kids over the years.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Having spent years working with peadophiles I can say with certainty that hundreds more victims will start to come foward, he had wide access to thousands of kids over the years.

You're a psychologist?

[Locke]

I dont know anything about College Football, but what I do know is that this Sandusky character is the worst pedophile ever. Was he even trying to be discreet? A half dozen people caught him in the act in several different places it seems.

I feel bad for guys like Paterno and the people that are basically getting screwed for doing nothing. That being said, they should have done something, instead they passed the buck and turned a blind eye.

Anyone who does that, particularly after watching a guy in a shower or lockerroom or wherever raping a kid, they have no right to call themselves men.

You see a guy raping a kid, the requisite actions seem pretty clear, adn while they didnt do it themselves, they didnt actively seek to put a stop to it either.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund Burke