Occupy Calgary/Do Not Merge

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by woob

So, if I understand right, if some group that comes in your community is breaking bylaws it lessens your pride in your community? That's too bad that such a little thing would affect your pride. Must be hard to live with.

That would make them NOT part of the community would it not?

Now if it was her community members breaking laws then maybe. But then I would think community pride would put pressure on the offending members to stop.

[woob]

Originally Posted by HOZ

That would make them NOT part of the community would it not?

Now if it was her community members breaking laws then maybe. But then I would think community pride would put pressure on the offending members to stop.

My point is I think community pride has got absolutely nothing to do with it. A group is going to protest regardless if they believe something (which may break bylaws), so why should that affect your pride for your community? Whether they're part of your community or not. If your pride for where you live is affected by such a trivial thing, then maybe you ought to re-examine that.

Now, if your whole community protested something that you felt was ridiculous, then yes, that would affect your pride, as it should. But a group of 20-30 people, not so much. It'd be like me saying the protesters down at Olympic Plaza lessen my pride in Calgary. It's silly. Calgary is still a great city, regardless of who's protesting where.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So Agent

If the pro life groups or some white supremist group decided to setup a camp ground to enforce their right to free speech and free assembly and free protest would you be happy if the city let them sit there?

IF we're going to do the whole rights over bi-laws thing, then it has to be universally enforced.

If a white suppremist group or a pro life group decide to set up a camp and do little else such as inciting violence, then I frankly couldn't care less. In all three of the examples it is a bunch of idiots whose presence doesn't impact my life in any way shape or form. If someone is saying something I disagree with, I just ignore them and carry on my way.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Agent86

If a white suppremist group or a pro life group decide to set up a camp and do little else such as inciting violence, then I frankly couldn't care less. In all three of the examples it is a bunch of idiots whose presence doesn't impact my life in any way shape or form. If someone is saying something I disagree with, I just ignore them and carry on my way.

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with them. The fact is our bylaws are being enforced selectively.

Olympic Plaza is closed to public from 11 PM to 6 AM.

There is a $50.00 for prohibited activities (ie: being "in" park after hours)
There is a $100.00 for erecting tents in parks.
There is a $100.00 for displaying a sign in a public park.
There is a $100.00 fine for remaining in a park when closed.

Near as I can tell the occupiers should have been given at least $300.00 worth of tickets for each night they broke the rules.

We have one park in Calgary open to public 24 hrs, Shaw Millennium. If they were to move there at least they would be off the hook for one of the tickets.


..... ahhh hell, who am I kidding,they would be off hook for all of it. Nenshi for whatever reason feels bylaws don't apply for these activities anymore.

Time to rescind the bylaws perhaps ?

Here is the full Parks & Pathways bylaws; fines are outlined on last two pages.

http://www.calgary.ca/CA/City-Clerks...ksPathways.pdf

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

The question isn't if they are breaking by-laws though - the question is why you are caring about city by-laws being broken with such religious fanaticism that you would be willing to go out of your way in order to care. I have seen these people up in Edmonton and while I don't agree with what they are saying, I don't particularly care either way, they aren't getting in people's way or doing anything obscene, in fact I would have to go out of my way in order to get intentionally perturbed about this.

There is a bylaw about not tobogganing in a public park as well, when should we expect the petition to get this offensive activity removed from our communities

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Agent86

The question isn't if they are breaking by-laws though - the question is why you are caring about city by-laws being broken with such religious fanaticism that you would be willing to go out of your way in order to care.

Why do you care that I care?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by First Lady

Why do you care that I care?

That's just the way of things around here, FL. You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

I'm somewhat amused by all the posts in the last few days chastizing people that are starting to grumble about these occupy losers. Nobody is freaking out, here. There's just a growing sentiment that these people have done their thing, and now it's time to go back to Daddy's house.
Some people feel that when you give one protest like this an inch, the next group will take a foot. So it's not unreasonable that some people are going downtown to voice their opinions on the matter.

Agent86, what's your deal? You're trying to amp this up like FL is losing her mind over this. "Religious fanaticism"? She's going to counter protest. What's the big deal? Why aren't you just sticking with your MO and ignoring her? I know why, because you're a hypocrite. You think it's ok to protest as long as you're ok with the message, but when you're not ok with the message, you get angry and start challenging and then insulting.
But, hey... That's your right. Carry on.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

No, I think both cases are stupid. The occupy Calgary protest is stupid and pointless as is a protest of the protest. I am not going out of my way and it takes 30 seconds to comment on a post.

I am not the one getting worked up in a frenzy and spending my time and money protesting - if she wants to protest the protest, she can go ahead, it won't change my opinion that it is stupid in both cases.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Agent86

No, I think both cases are stupid. The occupy Calgary protest is stupid and pointless as is a protest of the protest.

I'm in agreement with you here. The most I have done with regard to the Occupy movement is make fun of it on the internet. As far as actually going out and engaging it one way or another, that's a complete waste of time, and as far as I'm concerned it gives them some validation that their protest is a legitimate one which is the last thing I want to do.

If Occupy Calgary ever happens again, I suggest they don't even mention it in the newspaper. Ignore them.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by woob

So, if I understand right, if some group that comes in your community is breaking bylaws it lessens your pride in your community? That's too bad that such a little thing would affect your pride. Must be hard to live with.

Do me a favour. Post your address. We'll come by and hold a campout in your front yard. We'll play some really loud music at all hours of the night too.

But it's okay, because we'll call it a protest. Laws and basic respect for your fellow citizens don't apply anymore if it is a protest, right?

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Do me a favour. Post your address. We'll come by and hold a campout in your front yard. We'll play some really loud music at all hours of the night too.

But it's okay, because we'll call it a protest. Laws and basic respect for your fellow citizens don't apply anymore if it is a protest, right?

No we won't. We have jobs!

[malcolmk14]

I walked by Olympic Plaza yesterday to see what all the fuss was about.

The campers are actually confined pretty well to one side of the Plaza (close to 8th Ave). I wouldn't say anyone that wants to use it for ice skating or anything like that would be disrupted much if at all by their tents or their protest.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Agent86

No, I think both cases are stupid. The occupy Calgary protest is stupid and pointless as is a protest of the protest. I am not going out of my way and it takes 30 seconds to comment on a post.

I am not the one getting worked up in a frenzy and spending my time and money protesting - if she wants to protest the protest, she can go ahead, it won't change my opinion that it is stupid in both cases.

I think your protesting against the protest against the protest is stupid

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by valo403

I think your protesting against the protest against the protest is stupid

nm

[Regular_John]

Interesting wrinkle unfolding right now, CoryB (First Lady's husband if I'm not wrong) has been issued a ticket for illegally parking his pick up truck at Olympic Plaza today by the city by-law officers.

@lonnietaylor
Lonnie Taylor
Bylaw officers are issuing @CoryBMorgan a ticket parking his truck at Olympic Plaza without a permit. #yyccc #OccupyCalgary

@markusoff
Jason Markusoff
#OccupyCalgary counter-protester will not be moved... from his truck. Gets bylaw ticket. #yyccc (via @seanmyers) yfrog.com/nxf1cwkj

Who's got the popcorn?

[Regular_John]

And he's been towed, while I agree with the message behind his actions "The bylaws need to be enforced on everybody equally" I think he failed on the optics of it by using his pick up truck & silly signs. Unfortunately he'll get dismissed as a loud mouth truck lovin red neck.

[malcolmk14]

Haha. Awesome.

[woob]

If you're going to protest against people breaking bylaws, you're probably best to follow them yourself, whether trying to make a point or not.

[woob]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Do me a favour. Post your address. We'll come by and hold a campout in your front yard. We'll play some really loud music at all hours of the night too.

But it's okay, because we'll call it a protest. Laws and basic respect for your fellow citizens don't apply anymore if it is a protest, right?

Um, how is this related to what I was discussing? Sure, this would probably annoy me, but it wouldn't affect my pride in where I live.

When you come, can you play Metallica?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by jaydorn

And he's been towed, while I agree with the message behind his actions "The bylaws need to be enforced on everybody equally" I think he failed on the optics of it by using his pick up truck & silly signs. Unfortunately he'll get dismissed as a loud mouth truck lovin red neck.

Hold on. One of those signs says "Bring back Arrested Development". I think that is something we can all get behind!

While I do agree that people should follow the bylaws if you're going to protest them being enforced, there is still a question here. Why tow his truck and leave the tents standing? You have to know that he is moving his truck at the end of the day, whereas as some of these people are planning on staying until their demands are met".

I might have more in common with Cory Morgan than I would've first thought.