Occupy Calgary/Do Not Merge

[valo403]

Originally Posted by First Lady

I'm not talking about protests themselves. Those will always happen. (as they should) I'm referring to the camping in parks aspect. The city has never allowed this before.

You don't think future groups will try to camp overnight?

And what if they do? This doesn't set a legal precedent. The city isn't obligated to act in a certain manner in all situations, they are free to use discretion. If a subsequent group comes along with a different set of challenges the city is free to respond to them differently.

[woob]

Has the city published any kind of real information regarding where the $40,000 and rising damages cost is coming from? Not passing judgement here, but just wondering how they're breaking this down beyond replacing grass. Any link/info would be appreciated.

[Muta]

I hope the Occupy Calgary thing grows and grows and grows. This way, people's heads will explode on this board, and it will be downright hilarious.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by woob

Has the city published any kind of real information regarding where the $40,000 and rising damages cost is coming from? Not passing judgement here, but just wondering how they're breaking this down beyond replacing grass. Any link/info would be appreciated.

Time/overtime costs for workers doing the cleanup, for one.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Time/overtime costs for workers doing the cleanup, for one.

I will do it for $20,000

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Time/overtime costs for workers doing the cleanup, for one.

I question the 40K too. I wonder if they are including the extra policing and/or consulting with lawyers, etc.

[woob]

I love Colley-Urquhart quotes.

“I think it’s pretty clear that Calgarians are fed up with this,” Colley-Urquhart said.

No, I think tiny group of Calgarians are fed up. I think the majority of Calgarians probably think the protesters should move on but beyond that, they probably don't give a flying fata.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by First Lady

As for societal issues; Calgary has an abundance of services for those in need. Yes, some people need help and direction to find the right services.

Are these protesters in need? One day they say "we have jobs, we are taxpayers" the next day it's "the man is oppressing the homeless"

We took in two homeless people just last night. We've done it before, we will likely do it again. They will stay until they are on their feet again. I didn't have to break by-laws help these people.

WDF does this have to do with my post besides a huge lead-up for you to force in the unrelated fact you take in homeless people?

Good for you?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by First Lady

How would it turn into an altercation? Demonstrators have said all along; "they are peaceful".

How can you know so little about group dynamics to not know taking their shelter, personal belongings and toilets (still can't believe that one) would cause a problem? I'm talking just on an intuitive level. You honestly don't see how a cop rolling up somebody's tent, face-to-face with the tent owner, wouldn't obviously lead to a physical altercation? Come on.

They are being perfectly peaceful, which is why they aren't really a problem that needs to be solved with force.

Originally Posted by First Lady

What aspirations would those be?

larf

Originally Posted by First Lady

There's an app for that. http://www.sitorsquat.com/

So you don't think these people will just find a corner of the Olympic Plaza to do their business in? Again, this points to a general cluelessness you have about the situation that is getting a little tough to read, quite frankly.

Originally Posted by First Lady

Oh, so handle it like snow removal. If no chinook by X date we will send out the plows.

Kind of, yes. Because it's a smart plan, particularly as opposed to your awful one.

Originally Posted by First Lady

The issue is the precedent this is setting. The next groups that do this will be far more organized and will definitely be a bigger mess to resolve.

Hardly. Let's deal with this one-off situation as the one-off situation it is. We're not setting any precedent. If the next group want to camp and we don't want them to, we won't let them. It's that simple. The timing of this one - potentially days before a cold snap - gives us this much better option that you can't seem to understand.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by valo403

Well outside of the "smelly hippies" thing those are legitimate points. Look at the messages coming out of this group, there's absolutely no semblance of action or actual goals, it's a bunch of inane rambling and deserves to be pointed out as such.

That leads well into your second point, a key difference with the examples you cite is that they are actual goals, not vague idealism masquerading as a protest. Even then, the vast majority of people in this thread have made it quite clear that your right to express your opinion doesn't trump the rights of others. Most people on this site, and in life in general, are quite clear on that point in a variety of contexts.

It seems to me that you've decided what the response would be without any actual basis to do so.

Ok so just to confirm - if left-wing 'hippies' are protesting, say for example, the lack of relative funding to social services or low minimum wages in Alberta, and done in a legal manner, you're not going to have a problem with it?

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Sliver

How can you know so little about group dynamics to not know taking their shelter, personal belongings and toilets (still can't believe that one) would cause a problem? I'm talking just on an intuitive level. You honestly don't see how a cop rolling up somebody's tent, face-to-face with the tent owner, wouldn't obviously lead to a physical altercation? Come on.

They are being perfectly peaceful, which is why they aren't really a problem that needs to be solved with force.



larf



So you don't think these people will just find a corner of the Olympic Plaza to do their business in? Again, this points to a general cluelessness you have about the situation that is getting a little tough to read, quite frankly.



Kind of, yes. Because it's a smart plan, particularly as opposed to your awful one.



Hardly. Let's deal with this one-off situation as the one-off situation it is. We're not setting any precedent. If the next group want to camp and we don't want them to, we won't let them. It's that simple. The timing of this one - potentially days before a cold snap - gives us this much better option that you can't seem to understand.

Condescending much?

[burn_this_city]

To break the tension, I'll inject a couple quotes from our favorite freedom fighter..

tawnee7 Tawnee S.



So many people feel personally hurt by #occupycalgary violating bylaws. How bout we dismantle camp and come set up in your front yards.



Bring it on, I have a hose.

tawnee7 Tawnee S.



#occupycalgary are the true harbingers of change in our society. They won't be loved at 1st, but their time and place in history is crucial



tawnee7 Tawnee S.



Judging by the people on twitter late at night, it seems like the vast majority of people support #occupycalgary and what they are doing

Personally I think the people up late at night support Occupy Calgary because they don't have 9-5 jobs.

tawnee7 Tawnee S.



If petitioners had way & #occupycalgary was kicked out, stabbing victim may have died 2night. earned right 2 stay at least another month

Right...

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Man, quit making stuff up.

Alright, well lets see - would there have been as much outrage on this board from the Greenpeace 'hippies' who hung the poster from the Calgary tower last year if instead it was an oil industry fan club and their poster said "Hurray for Oil"?

I'm going to think probably not, outside of the expected watered-down responses of the dangers inherit in such a stunt.

10 years on CP has shown me that if there is an unpopular message in a public stunt, the vitriol flows thicker. Just sayin'.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by zuluking

Condescending much?

She earned it.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Ok so just to confirm - if left-wing 'hippies' are protesting, say for example, the lack of relative funding to social services or low minimum wages in Alberta, and done in a legal manner, you're not going to have a problem with it?

Nope. Just as I don't have a problem with the Teamsters pickets I see all the time, the marches around town or any of the other activities that allow people the ability to make their point while also respecting the rights of others to live their lives.

I'd actually be likely to be a supporter of both of those initiatives you put forth.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

WDF does this have to do with my post besides a huge lead-up for you to force in the unrelated fact you take in homeless people?

Good for you?

Ummm... you said directly to me:

your continual demonstration of lack of knowledge regarding solutions to societal issues.

I simply gave you one example of my being directly involved in solutions.

Sorry it didn't meet your standards.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by valo403

Nope. Just as I don't have a problem with the Teamsters pickets I see all the time, the marches around town or any of the other activities that allow people the ability to make their point while also respecting the rights of others to live their lives.

I'd actually be likely to be a supporter of both of those initiatives you put forth.

Alright I'll keep that in mind for future politically-charged debates.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Bring it on, I have a hose.

tawnee7 Tawnee S.

I have a hose too, its a fun hose.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Alright I'll keep that in mind for future politically-charged debates.

Please do, if you're expecting to see me waffling in that stance feel free to look at threads in which I have defended the right of groups like the Aryan nation to march. Even if I don't agree with a viewpoint I will defend the right of people to present it in a reasonable manner.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by woob

No, I think tiny group of Calgarians are fed up. I think the majority of Calgarians probably think the protesters should move on but beyond that, they probably don't give a flying fata.

If it wasn't for this thread, I wouldn't even know they were there.