Occupy Calgary/Do Not Merge

[pepper24]

It's ironic how a few protestors are causing such an uproar to the masses and bringing out a lot of unneeded anger. The comments here and on the street are absurd over a small group of outcasts.

The protestors are trolls. Don't feed them, ignore them. Good or negative press only helps them. They don't have the funds, people or a clear message but still smart and organized enough to know that any "free press" only helps their battle. Hook, line, sinker.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by pylon

You actually are missing the point. I do not believe that all people serving beef n cheddars are losers. However, it is pretty much the staus quo job for the uninspired, and unmotivated, there is no denying that fact. I would however, work at a fast food joint or wash cars long before I would "occupy" anything, hoping to inspire what essentially amounts to a communist revolution.

How are they unmoitivated or uninspired when they don't have a job like yours? Maybe that's the type of work they enjoy. Is success for you defined in dollar figures and the status you hold in a company?

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Dion

How are they unmoitivated or uninspired when they don't have a job like yours? Maybe that's the type of work they enjoy. Is success for you defined in dollar figures and the status you hold in a company?

There is nothing special about what I do, I never claimed that. I am a glorified cashier to be honest. In fact a lot of days I wish I did do something different. But I still take a ton of pride in my work and put everything I have into it. And it is what I am good at. If someone loves what they do, no matter what it is, that is what matters most I suppose. I wish I had that passion to truely love it like I used to, but after a while, I think any career can become stale unless you are piloting rockets, or are the Hawaiin tropic oil boy. I have a friend who is a geologist pulling down 250 a year, and he HATES his job.

However, I highly doubt, if you were to survey 100 people working in the fast food industry, the majority of them are not there because it is a chosen career path. They are there for necessity, and because they need to make a living somehow. I have been there myself, I was a frikking Panago delivery guy for the better part if a year, and I can tell you, I didn't look forward to showing up at the office per se. But I did not have the balls to walk into the EI office, and sit on my ass for six months when I knew I could do something other than be a bum...anything but that. If I had no other choice, I wouldn't and haven't turned my nose up at crappy jobs, and I have said all along, that is a far more noble and respectable path than these squatters are taking by a factor of 1000. Hence the get a job, losers.. comment.

[Notorious Honey Badger]

What does working 15 hours a day and willing to become the best and hardest working arbys employee have to do with wealth distribution? there should always be a very healthy incentive for working hard and being the best, but why do we have to approach this issue like its all or nothing?

also, the description of some of these protesters is laughably biased and misleading. the numbers for the gap between the rich, middle class, and poor really do speak for themselves

[Dion]

Originally Posted by pylon

There is nothing special about what I do, I never claimed that. I am a glorified cashier to be honest. In fact a lot of days I wish I did do something different. But I still take a ton of pride in my work and put everything I have into it. And it is what I am good at. If someone loves what they do, no matter what it is, that is what matters most I suppose. I wish I had that passion to truely love it like I used to, but after a while, I think any career can become stale unless you are piloting rockets, or are the Hawaiin tropic oil boy. I have a friend who is a geologist pulling down 250 a year, and he HATES his job.

However, I highly doubt, if you were to survey 100 people working in the fast food industry, the majority of them are not there because it is a chosen career path. They are there for necessity, and because they need to make a living somehow. I have been there myself, I was a frikking Panago delivery guy for the better part if a year, and I can tell you, I didn't look forward to showing up at the office per se. But I did not have the balls to walk into the EI office, and sit on my ass for six months when I knew I could do something other than be a bum...anything but that. If I had no other choice, I wouldn't and haven't turned my nose up at crappy jobs, and I have said all along, that is a far more noble and respectable path than these squatters are taking by a factor of 1000. Hence the get a job, losers.. comment.

How are they unmotived or uninspired was my question.

My brother was a project manager for a corporation. The money was unbelieveable but after a fair number of years the long hours and stress was burning him out and his mental health was suffering badly. He couldn't walk away because his job defined who he was as a person. The US economy goes in the toilet and gets let go. He was unemployed for a year and half before he found another job. He makes alot less money and has less responsibility. The new job he got wasn't because he was unmotivated or uninspired. He had to make a living like everyone else and took what he could get, just like many do today.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Dion

How are they unmotived or uninspired was my question.

My brother was a project manager for a corporation. The money was unbelieveable but after a fair number of years the long hours and stress was burning him out and his mental health was suffering badly. He couldn't walk away because his job defined who he was as a person. The US economy goes in the toilet and gets let go. He was unemployed for a year and half before he found another job. He makes alot less money and has less responsibility. The new job he got wasn't because he was unmotivated or uninspired. He had to make a living like everyone else and took what he could get, just like many do today.

I had a very candid discussion with a guy one day at a pub near my work. The guy has been working a very menial job at the Walmart for more years than I can remember. I was just talking with him, and it turned out he was a MRC kid that dropped out. He is 28 now, and a super nice guy. I asked bluntly, don't you think you could put the skills you did learn to work somehow, and find somethng better then what you are doing?

He was blunt back, and said "Why should I? My mom puts me up, I live 2 blocks from work, and I am happy just playing Computer games in my spare time. Some people ridicule me for it, but to me, it is comfortable, and I am happy." On one hand, I have the utmost respect that the guy is just saying F it, I am just going to be me no matter what anyone thinks. On the other hand, I see a totally uninspired person, that will likely regret his choice one day, when he realizes there is so much more to it all.

To me that is an uninspired individual, just doing the minimum to get by.

When I see an immigrant of some kind working 15 hours a day to make a better life, and support their family working 2 jobs like that, yes my heart bleeds to a certain extent, as I know a lot of those people are qualified professionals in their home countries. Those are not the people I am accusing of being 'uninspired'.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

No it's fact.

You can't compare Vietnam protest to things like Occupy Calgary, because one was coherent protest with clear goals, and one is just a bunch of dumb asses hanging out in a park and posting "deep" tweets about how they are creating significant social change, but they can't say how, or what they are changing becasue that would some how defeat their "protest".

Please tell me more about this massive group of protests in the first months of the war that everybody got behind and they were a complete and unified message.


It may help if you go back and read a few pages back, the Nam protests started just like this.

Like I said you dont know where this is going. They may go home when there socks are wet or actually drive change.

[Boblobla]

Where does one buy a bamboo coffee mug?

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Please tell me more about this massive group of protests in the first months of the war that everybody got behind and they were a complete and unified message.


It may help if you go back and read a few pages back, the Nam protests started just like this.

Like I said you dont know where this is going. They may go home when there socks are wet or actually drive change.

But this movement isn't growing. The number of people they had out when they protested at bankers hall was to peak. After that, almost everyone drove home to stay in their nice war bed and a few hippies decided to go camping with some bums. Not the same thing.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Please tell me more about this massive group of protests in the first months of the war that everybody got behind and they were a complete and unified message.


It may help if you go back and read a few pages back, the Nam protests started just like this.

Like I said you dont know where this is going. They may go home when there socks are wet or actually drive change.

No they didn't.

They had a very clear and concise message that was easy to either agree or disagree with, which in turn allowed it to grow into a massive movement because the message itself was one many shared.

What is this groups message? What do they want done about it? It's been said repeatedly since this whole farcical thing began.....they have a problem with their government apparently and the laws that govern capitalism and wealth distribution, but thats not who they target. Instead they want to "make if more fair for everyone"...what the hell does that even mean?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Instead they want to "make if more fair for everyone"...what the hell does that even mean?

[Resolute 14]

So, to recap. The Occupy losers are just like the people fighting for their own freedom during the Arab Spring, like those who protested against the Vietnam war, and better than those who fought for Indian independence.

In short, the point of these protests is just to boost the egos of its supporters.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by pylon

I am neither a winner nor a loser.

I am a man that works his ass to the bone every day so I do not become an unshaven, smelly, hippie sitting in a park begging for asswipe, I have too much pride. I just finished working a 15 hour day, and am getting ready to iron a suit for my 15 hour day tomorrow. If I walk into a pink slip tomorrow, and cannot find another job in my field the next day, week or month... I will gladly go wash some more cars, if that is what it takes. And I will strive to be the best car washer at the carwash. I am too proud to be a bum, in a park, playing kumbaya on my mandolin while my girlfriend stares in awe as she eats a tofu sandwich and drinks hemp tea from her bamboo thermos.

BECAUSE. I. AM. EMPLOYABLE.

You work 15 hour days and still only put in a 60 hour week? I'd kill for that.

[Regular_John]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

So, to recap. The Occupy losers are just like the people fighting for their own freedom during the Arab Spring, like those who protested against the Vietnam war, and better than those who fought for Indian independence.

In short, the point of these protests is just to boost the egos of its supporters.

I don't use this word a lot, but they just may be the greatest heros in the history of mankind. They've also managed to accomplish more with a month of camping than the Mustard Seed or the United Way have done in decades.

I for one can't wait for them to receive the order of Canada and I don't think I'd be out of line to suggest that we imortalize them on our flag.

Godspeed freedom fighters, godspeed.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by valo403

You work 15 hour days and still only put in a 60 hour week? I'd kill for that.

Switch over to PI - I am home at 3:45 (pm that is).

[Ozy_Flame]

Yech . . . 15 hours a day on a regular basis? If so, that's harsh. Doesn't seem like enough time to enjoy life outside of the office.

[Stay Golden]

So Nenshi gives out hugs to the occupy protesters/squatters. Should we be suprised this is Barney's response when the rest of city councel wants them gone and he says he cough,agrees.
Maybe Diane Colley Urquhart was not out of line when she said " the protesters are probably his (Nenshi) people his friends".

Wonder if Nenshi sports a Bouwmeester Flames jersey.

[Sliver]

Nenshi's approach is bang on. If this was July he'd probably be handling it different, but in two weeks it could be -20 and they'll be gone. There is no reason whatsoever for a conflict with these r-tards and I think it undermines their dopey non-message even more by basically ignoring them.

[valo403]

I like the way the NYPD is dealing with this, suggesting to homeless around town that they might want to head down there to take advantage of the free food and shelter. Nice to see the occupiers getting a taste of what its like to deal with people looking for a free hand out, maybe they'll understand why so many people are looking down on them for doing the same.

[CaptainCrunch]

NYPD also went down and seized every generator and heater for safety code violations.