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Azure · 10-25-2011, 10:42 AM

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OTTAWA — The federal government has introduced legislation to scrap the controversial long-gun registry.

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews tabled a bill dubbed "An Act to amend the Criminal Code and Firearms Act" Tuesday in the House of Commons.

Read more: http://www.canada.com/Canada+tables+...#ixzz1boRhAnZl

About bloody time.

burn_this_city · 10-25-2011, 10:43 AM

I heard some whispers that the RCMP wants some unrestricted weapons reclassified as restricted or prohibited.

CaptainCrunch · 10-25-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I heard some whispers that the RCMP wants some unrestricted weapons reclassified as restricted or prohibited.

I could live with this as a tradeoff to getting rid of the registry.

Azure · 10-25-2011, 10:47 AM

Same here. Far as I'm concerned, anything not a long-gun should be classified as restricted. This includes all military style semi-automatic weapons. Even if they have a 5 shot clip.

And then the restricted license process should be reviewed to make sure that everyone who applies goes through proper training and background check before it gets approved.

SeeBass · 10-25-2011, 10:47 AM

I like the last line that Quebec is prepared to do one themselves if the Federal one is scrapped. I wonder how that will be payed for??

I do find it petty that the feds won't share the info they currently have if a provincial goverment starts one.

burn_this_city · 10-25-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I could live with this as a tradeoff to getting rid of the registry.

As of right now it sounds like they will keep the current classification system. The weapons the RC's want moved are the semi-auto assault rifles.

Azure · 10-25-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SeeBass

I like the last line that Quebec is prepared to do one themselves if the Federal one is scrapped. I wonder how that will be payed for??

I do find it petty that the feds won't share the info they currently have if a provincial goverment starts one.

The fed already said they won't help at all. Not with funding, and not with passing along information.

So I guess Alberta will pay for the Quebec system then.

CaptainCrunch · 10-25-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Same here. Far as I'm concerned, anything not a long-gun should be classified as restricted. This includes all military style semi-automatic weapons. Even if they have a 5 shot clip.

And then the restricted license process should be reviewed to make sure that everyone who applies goes through proper training and background check before it gets approved.

I would agree with that except that some people obviously use pistols for sport shooting and hobbies.

But I agree that all military style semi-auto's should be restricted. I saw a guy go hunting with an FN-C1-A1 with the full 30 round clip, I don't see the point of it as a hunting rifle as it will basically obliterate anything that you shoot.

I've also seen people with the semi-auto hobby version of the Ak-47 (surprised me that you could but that), and I guess it doesn't take much to do a full auto convert for it.

burn_this_city · 10-25-2011, 10:53 AM

Once the registry is no longer maintained, the old information Quebec could use would be useless anyhow. Let them build their own bloated system, they love those kinds of make work projects.

Frank MetaMusil · 10-25-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SeeBass

I like the last line that Quebec is prepared to do one themselves if the Federal one is scrapped. I wonder how that will be payed for??

I do find it petty that the feds won't share the info they currently have if a provincial goverment starts one.

IMO it's better that they are just destroying the records. Lawful gun owners are not criminals and that database has been hacked numerous times since 1995.

SeeBass · 10-25-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure

The fed already said they won't help at all. Not with funding, and not with passing along information.

So I guess Alberta will pay for the Quebec system then.

that is what I was getting at.

Azure · 10-25-2011, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I would agree with that except that some people obviously use pistols for sport shooting and hobbies.

But I agree that all military style semi-auto's should be restricted. I saw a guy go hunting with an FN-C1-A1 with the full 30 round clip, I don't see the point of it as a hunting rifle as it will basically obliterate anything that you shoot.

I've also seen people with the semi-auto hobby version of the Ak-47 (surprised me that you could but that), and I guess it doesn't take much to do a full auto convert for it.

I have no problem with people owning handguns, but they should have to get a restricted license.

burn_this_city · 10-25-2011, 10:57 AM

I'm pretty sure all hand guns are restricted.

GoinAllTheWay · 10-25-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure

I have no problem with people owning handguns, but they should have to get a restricted license.

They do.

Slava · 10-25-2011, 11:27 AM

Just wondering how people here view the comments that many of the law enforcement agencies make regarding keeping the registry? I know that its long been derided as a white elephant and things like that, but when the experts who deal with this say its a very useful tool I just can't see why there is a rush to scrap it.

burn_this_city · 10-25-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Slava

Just wondering how people here view the comments that many of the law enforcement agencies make regarding keeping the registry? I know that its long been derided as a white elephant and things like that, but when the experts who deal with this say its a very useful tool I just can't see why there is a rush to scrap it.

An online vote by rank and file police officers supported abolishing the long gun registry. I don't take much of what the police chiefs say at face value, of course they will fight the loss of a snooping tool.

Slava · 10-25-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

An online vote by rank and file police officers supported abolishing the long gun registry. I don't take much of what the police chiefs say at face value, of course they will fight the loss of a snooping tool.

Ya, I suppose I should just let sleeping dogs lie here. I kind of view this as the experts who actually use the tool saying its useful which in turn leads me to believe its useful.

I have nothing to do with the regsitry at all. I don't own guns, and don't work in that line of work and likely never will. I'm not against guns in any real way. I just think that the whole "tough on crime" position as opposed to the enforcers of the tough on crime position seem to be at odds here.

burn_this_city · 10-25-2011, 11:35 AM

Are the people who use it saying it's useful? Not from what I've read.

Slava · 10-25-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Are the people who use it saying it's useful? Not from what I've read.

Well only the police chiefs and associations.

btw, you aren't really pulling out an online poll to support this are you? There is another online poll (which is awesome) that supports making coffee cup lids into magnetic pieces of art as some world changing innovation!

CaptainCrunch · 10-25-2011, 11:38 AM

If we're going to abolish the long gun registry, I think that there really needs to be a review on sentencing for vioent crimes involving guns.

Its unlikely that most gun crimes involve weapons that have been legally bought and registered, and its going to be impossible to shut down the gun smuggling from the States and Asia.

I just think that a gun crime should automatically be a 25 year minimum sentence with no chance of parole for 15 years.

Any criminal thats willing to use a gun is a criminal that had to work to get a gun and deliberately planned to use that gun whether for intimidation or killing.

Gun toting criminals are not your standard criminals, they've stepped over a very large line in the sand.