2011 Stampeders Thread

[tvp2003]

Tate looked good against the worst team in the East, if not the CFL. I hope he does well tomorrow but I'm not ready to give him the franchise just yet. Unless Tate lights it up these next couple of games, I wouldn't be surprised to see a re-energized Hank back under center as we head into the playoffs.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Tate looked good against the worst team in the East, if not the CFL. I hope he does well tomorrow but I'm not ready to give him the franchise just yet. Unless Tate lights it up these next couple of games, I wouldn't be surprised to see a re-energized Hank back under center as we head into the playoffs.

Like I said earlier, I'd prefer it if the Stamps are patient with him. There will be growing pains.

Not exactly the same type of situation, but look how the Lions and Lulay are doing now. He struggled when he first got the reins.....imagine where the Lions would be had they went back to Printers at the first sign of trouble.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Tate looked good against the worst team in the East, if not the CFL. I hope he does well tomorrow but I'm not ready to give him the franchise just yet. Unless Tate lights it up these next couple of games, I wouldn't be surprised to see a re-energized Hank back under center as we head into the playoffs.

Posted this on GSG, but thought it would be fair to re-post here based on my comments above (hope that's okay):

Tate proved he's got a future in this league. He's obviously had time to prepare these past few years, and it showed last night (I didn't watch the game in Toronto).

Good things:

Looked very poised in the pocket. No deer in the headlights. VERY decisive in hitting the first read, VERY accurate in getting the ball there (don't recall seeing a wildly inaccurate pass all game, although I must have missed the first pick as for some reason I don't remember it). On a couple of plays, showed he could progress down to the second, third, and even fourth read -- Dickenson must have been loving it.

Bad things:

Obviously doesn't have the overpowering arm strength like Hank. Deep balls floated a bit and therefore ended up slightly underthrown. However, as I mentioned above, his accuracy in the short to medium game was stellar and I think that's what has been missing with Hank. Although he spins the ball well, his mechanics are a little "quirky". Not a big deal though -- he seems to get the ball off quickly enough, which is the important thing.

Unknowns:

Toronto was in a dome and last night was a perfect night for football, so I'd like to see how he does in a cold/snow/bad weather environment. Also, Toronto and Sask are the two worst teams in the league, so a good test will come next week at MTL. The package last night seemed very basic -- lots of quick slants, crossing routes, swings into the flat. Was effective last night (and perfect for a guy making his first start), but they'll need to start adding in some misdirection, bootleg, and play action against teams with a better pass rush. He also has some athelticism, and will need to be able to make some plays on the run and when things break down (showed a bit of this last night). Not sure if he'll be much a running threat (i.e. designed runs), but that can be a difference maker, especially in bad weather and against a good pass rush.

Overall, as good a game as we probably could have hoped; the last INT wasn't great but I'm glad he threw that late in the fourth when his team was ahead and not in the first when the game was still even.

Not sure how things will shake down heading into the playoffs (let alone next year), but I think this puts us in a great position. Tate will obviously get the next start, and I hope he can build on this performance against better competition. It's also good to know that once the playoffs arrive (assuming Tate is still the starter), we still have the reigning MOP -- now with something to prove -- ready to step in if Tate falters. Something tells me Hank would perform very well in that situation.

[browna]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Posted this on GSG, but thought it would be fair to re-post here based on my comments above (hope that's okay):

Tate proved he's got a future in this league. He's obviously had time to prepare these past few years, and it showed last night (I didn't watch the game in Toronto).

Good things:

Looked very poised in the pocket. No deer in the headlights. VERY decisive in hitting the first read, VERY accurate in getting the ball there (don't recall seeing a wildly inaccurate pass all game, although I must have missed the first pick as for some reason I don't remember it). On a couple of plays, showed he could progress down to the second, third, and even fourth read -- Dickenson must have been loving it.

Bad things:

Obviously doesn't have the overpowering arm strength like Hank. Deep balls floated a bit and therefore ended up slightly underthrown. However, as I mentioned above, his accuracy in the short to medium game was stellar and I think that's what has been missing with Hank. Although he spins the ball well, his mechanics are a little "quirky". Not a big deal though -- he seems to get the ball off quickly enough, which is the important thing.

Unknowns:

Toronto was in a dome and last night was a perfect night for football, so I'd like to see how he does in a cold/snow/bad weather environment. Also, Toronto and Sask are the two worst teams in the league, so a good test will come next week at MTL. The package last night seemed very basic -- lots of quick slants, crossing routes, swings into the flat. Was effective last night (and perfect for a guy making his first start), but they'll need to start adding in some misdirection, bootleg, and play action against teams with a better pass rush. He also has some athelticism, and will need to be able to make some plays on the run and when things break down (showed a bit of this last night). Not sure if he'll be much a running threat (i.e. designed runs), but that can be a difference maker, especially in bad weather and against a good pass rush.

Overall, as good a game as we probably could have hoped; the last INT wasn't great but I'm glad he threw that late in the fourth when his team was ahead and not in the first when the game was still even.

Not sure how things will shake down heading into the playoffs (let alone next year), but I think this puts us in a great position. Tate will obviously get the next start, and I hope he can build on this performance against better competition. It's also good to know that once the playoffs arrive (assuming Tate is still the starter), we still have the reigning MOP -- now with something to prove -- ready to step in if Tate falters. Something tells me Hank would perform very well in that situation.

Agreed...good game overall against a garbarge team. Clearly a pretty simplfied offensive playbook last night in order to get him some confidence. Against a tem like that, it allows everyone to get some confidence and back on page though, and a better test is against a very good Montreal team.

I agree that the cold weather will certainly affect Tate's mechanics. He certainly puts a lot of body into each throw and that opens up a bunch of issues...poor field conditions and he can't use his legs as much for leverage, a knock against his legs or any sort of bump or bruise on a cold day means it will be harder for him to use that whole body in a throw.

Not knocking him, but all the ups and down of the CFL season come down to winning one or two or three playoff games.

Kudos to Renyolds too, for stepping in and taking his demotion with class. Make no mistake, given potentially poor conditions from here on in to the GC, having a guy used to the cold weather and running the ball in it, is going to be a huge advantage. Cornish doesn't have as much game experience in the cold as Renyolds does, and I am guessing Coker has barely any.

Overall, I think that Stamps will be fine...no matter what obviosuly, its coming down to playing well on those particular playoff dates, whatever position they end in.

[Stay Golden]

Prediction
look for Jones to jump ship to SASK as a head coach he takes Joffery Reynolds, Wesler and SASK can't come to terms on new contract he goes to the Stamps.

Burris and Rambo go to Tor or Hamilton in return Stamps get DE Pass rusher and DB.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Prediction
look for Jones to jump ship to SASK as a head coach he takes Joffery Reynolds, Wesler and SASK can't come to terms on new contract he goes to the Stamps.

Burris and Rambo go to Tor or Hamilton in return Stamps get DE Pass rusher and DB.

prediction? or inside info?

[Flickered Flame]

Dave Naylor was on TSN radio in Toronto this morning and said that Burris to Hamilton makes more sense than Burris to Toronto. Either way, Burris has played his last game as a Stampeder imo.

[Beerfest]

It would be great if we could get some type of value for him, but I doubt we will.

Best of luck Burris! Thanks for the memories.

[CaramonLS]

Winnipeg might make a lot of sense too - I just don't see how you can move forward with Buck Pierce as your QB. Injured far too often.

[Notorious Honey Badger]

I think whoever wins the east next year is whoever gets Burris. Hank just needs an OC to is willing to work with his style of play, and, let him run the freaking ball instead of trying to be a pocket passer. He has a lot of talent. Simplify the playbook and give Burris less decisions to make, and let his athleticism win games.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Notorious Honey Badger

I think whoever wins the east next year is whoever gets Burris. Hank just needs an OC to is willing to work with his style of play, and, let him run the freaking ball instead of trying to be a pocket passer. He has a lot of talent. Simplify the playbook and give Burris less decisions to make, and let his athleticism win games.

Thats a disaster in the making, his decision making was far too slow and him lack of running with the ball was his own choice. He stopped being a running QB and settled for being a pocket QB. The guy has really lost couple of steps, can't read the plays as quickly, can't throw the out pass, was having trouble with the deep ball. Just in all lost it.

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by Notorious Honey Badger

I think whoever wins the east next year is whoever gets Burris. Hank just needs an OC to is willing to work with his style of play, and, let him run the freaking ball instead of trying to be a pocket passer. He has a lot of talent. Simplify the playbook and give Burris less decisions to make, and let his athleticism win games.

Being a pocket passer is his own doing. He always talks about how he is a pocket passer and not a scrambling guy.

Henry is done. Watch how long it takes him to make simple reads, and the out pattern was a disaster. Hold your head high and retire.

[Cheese]

Henry wont retire, not a chance. Reading his twitter he still thinks he is the shizznit.
I personally think a deal to Hamilton would suit us better, I dont see a lot of trade possibilities with Toronto. It would be fun however to see him dealt back to the Roughriders where he could implode that lineup completely.

[Cowboy89]

^Based on how he reacted when he lost his starting job I really doubt Henry is a leading candidate to come to terms with his declining athletic abilities and adapt his game to stay productive in the league. I predict he'll go to an Eastern team, fail to meet expectations and then we'll see him pop up locally trying to get a brodcasting job.

[moon]

I would have hoped Tate's play would have shown Huf that he is not close to ready but it appears that the Stamps are going to go down with him next season.

Hopefully we can get something decent for Hank because he definitely makes Hamilton and TO much better teams next year and as mentioned quite possibly the favorites in the East next year.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by moon

I would have hoped Tate's play would have shown Huf that he is not close to ready but it appears that the Stamps are going to go down with him next season.

Ready for what though? Very few QBs come off the sidelines and seemlessly play like a MOP within their first few starts.

Hamilton, Toronto, and maybe even Winnipeg would start Tate if he was on their teams. He's a starter in this league. You're correct though in pointing out he's not a playoff winning calibre QB yet. But one thing's clear though, he's learned as much as he can from holding the clipboard for Hank and he's only going to get better by playing. This is a move that needed to happen sooner or later and personally I don't see them winning the Grey Cup next year with or without Hank so they might as well give Tate a chance to grow as a starter.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by moon

I would have hoped Tate's play would have shown Huf that he is not close to ready but it appears that the Stamps are going to go down with him next season.

Hopefully we can get something decent for Hank because he definitely makes Hamilton and TO much better teams next year and as mentioned quite possibly the favorites in the East next year.

Yea, 3-0-0 in the regular season.

Beat Winnipeg, Montreal and Saskatchewan. (and almost beat Toronto after taking over for Burris)

But he's not "close to ready"

Come on moon...sure he struggled in his playoff game, but thats about it.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

Yea, 3-0-0 in the regular season.

Beat Winnipeg, Montreal and Saskatchewan. (and almost beat Toronto after taking over for Burris)

But he's not "close to ready"

Come on moon...sure he struggled in his playoff game, but thats about it.

He was mediocre to bad in the Montreal game. And very, very average in the other two games against bad teams.

I guess in a Tebow way he got the wins, but with Burris in there those are all 3 much easier wins for the team.

He didn't struggle in the play-off game he looked awful.

I am not saying that Burris played at the MOP level he did two years ago but at least he has shown something. In the 4 games Tate has started all he has shown is that if Cornish, Forzani and the defense play well then the Stamps can overcome Tate's poor passes and difficulty with reading/understanding defenses.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by moon

He was mediocre to bad in the Montreal game. And very, very average in the other two games against bad teams.

I guess in a Tebow way he got the wins, but with Burris in there those are all 3 much easier wins for the team.

He didn't struggle in the play-off game he looked awful.

I am not saying that Burris played at the MOP level he did two years ago but at least he has shown something. In the 4 games Tate has started all he has shown is that if Cornish, Forzani and the defense play well then the Stamps can overcome Tate's poor passes and difficulty with reading/understanding defenses.

Based on what?

Burris has lots of garbage performances this year, to say all 3 are easier wins with Burris in the game is laughable.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

Based on what?

Burris has lots of garbage performances this year, to say all 3 are easier wins with Burris in the game is laughable.

Based on the fact that I think Burris is a better QB than Tate.