Mainland China has got some issues

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

But then that would stamp out corruption. Can't have that.

Yeah, corruption really is at the heart of this in so many ways. It's what means people can't count upon support from government services and learn not to stick their necks out. It's a situation that has cultural roots that go back decades, but I don't know how it can be cured with fixing the corruption, and the corruption is so integral to the way government and business operates here. So integral that it's not even thought of as corruption, just thought of as the way it is. Why would it be different?

[Wormius]

Listening to the CBC this morning, and hearing about the case of an Edmonton father who left his austistic son half-starved, locked up in a room in his own feces and urine, and then remembering the Dustin Paxton case I find it hard to condemn only the Chinese who walked on for their complicity in not helping out the injured child. The aforementioned cases are just plain cruelty, and while not helping the child isn't defensible, there is at least a reason for why they acted and ignored her.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Listening to the CBC this morning, and hearing about the case of an Edmonton father who left his austistic son half-starved, locked up in a room in his own feces and urine, and then remembering the Dustin Paxton case I find it hard to condemn only the Chinese who walked on for their complicity in not helping out the injured child. The aforementioned cases are just plain cruelty, and while not helping the child isn't defensible, there is at least a reason for why they acted and ignored her.

I think those are more isolated cases that nobody knew about in order to help. It 'we' had known then 'we' would have help. The government has programs in place to help.

The Chinese story was a 'bystander' one.

Johnny might confirm or dispute this but there are no charities or united way in China. Or drop-in center or foster care. You're on your own.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I think those are more isolated cases that nobody knew about in order to help. It 'we' had known then 'we' would have help. The government has programs in place to help.

The Chinese story was a 'bystander' one.

Johnny might confirm or dispute this but there are no charities or united way in China. Or drop-in center or foster care. You're on your own.

I went to a charity / potluck event after the earthquake and donated some money, and we received a tax receipt. I think it was for the Red Cross, but I don't remember.

I think though, that in China if you have nothing to lose (i.e. money) you are more likely to get involved. The way some people toil even to make a tiny amount of money puts it into perspective. I agree that some good samaritan laws, or even if the person who caused the accident wasn't personally liable for medical fees these tragedies might not happen.

I think there is something still broken with the Chinese system. With such a huge population and limited food and resources, I wonder if the government prefers to turn a blind eye. Is the government, through its actions or inactions steering how its people respond - e.g. make it preferable to run over the girl and make sure she is dead, than have her a "burden" to their society?

[VladtheImpaler]

The CCP is scared of "civil society" - charities, churches, professional associations, as it fears that these groups can foster a "body politic" outside the party and threaten its monopoly of power.

[MickMcGeough]

I cannot believe how little the average CPer knows about China.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by MickMcGeough

I cannot believe how little the average CPer knows about China.

Why would the average CP'er know anything about China, given our level of knowledge about USA or even Alberta?

[MickMcGeough]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Why would the average CP'er know anything about China, given our level of knowledge about USA or even Alberta?

Hah that's fair. I guess I should have said "I cannot believe how strong the average CPers opinion is on a topic about which they have little to no knowledge".

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by MickMcGeough

Hah that's fair. I guess I should have said "I cannot believe how strong the average CPers opinion is on a topic about which they have little to no knowledge".

Not been around the internet very long?

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

At this point, the girl is brain dead. Might as well be dead.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/20...t_13909773.htm

In Canada she would be legally dead.

Guessing it must be different in China (from link).

"has been declared "brain dead" by doctors, who say she could die at any time."

[Morning Wood]

Originally Posted by Bagor

In Canada she would be legally dead.

Guessing it must be different in China (from link).

"has been declared "brain dead" by doctors, who say she could die at any time."

Omg... What a sad end to her life... I can't imagine what her mom must be feeling right now.

That video is the worst thing I have seen in my life. Seeing the first vehicle slowly run over the poor girl like going over a speed bump made me throw up a bit... Good god, we live in a effed up world.

[me_dennis]

Originally Posted by Morning Wood

Omg... What a sad end to her life... I can't imagine what her mom must be feeling right now.

That video is the worst thing I have seen in my life. Seeing the first vehicle slowly run over the poor girl like going over a speed bump made me throw up a bit... Good god, we live in a effed up world.

the worst part of the video for me, that made my stomach turn, was when the garbage collector picked her up, tried to sit her up, and she just flopped like a rag doll

[Sr. Mints]

The inhumanity and callousness displayed in the video is just sickening.

If this is indeed making the rounds in China and people are truly upset, hopefully something good can from this. God knows what.

[Byrns]

"In China, especially in the cities, if someone fainted on the streets, or if someone was knocked over by a car, you'll find lots of gawkers and gloaters, but rarely will you find someone willing to extend a helping hand."

「在中国，尤其是在都市里，倘使路上有暴病倒地，或翻车捽摔伤的人，路人围观或甚至高兴的人尽有，有肯伸手 来扶助一下的人却是极少的。」 ——鲁迅《经验》一九三三年
- Lu Xun on the rarity of Good Samaritans in China (1933).

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I think those are more isolated cases that nobody knew about in order to help. It 'we' had known then 'we' would have help. The government has programs in place to help.

The Chinese story was a 'bystander' one.

Johnny might confirm or dispute this but there are no charities or united way in China. Or drop-in center or foster care. You're on your own.

There certainly are charitable organizations working in China, but I understand that the government also makes it very difficult for charitable organizations to get any kind of formal recognition as such, meaning that they have to provide their aid 'under the table' as it were and cannot collect donations as such. I also understand that Guangzhou has recently opened up for charitable organizations though and will more openly recognize them now.

Even so, there is definitely a great deal of distrust in China for charitable organizations, which many people just expect to basically be taking donations for themselves. The atmosphere of corruption and frequent scamming and cheating does not lend itself well to a lot of charitable work. Spend some time in China and you will see a lot of people, very frequently kids who certainly are in need of help but have been mutilated by someone to increase people's sympathy and are being forced to work the streets collecting change. It is brutal, and an example of the degree to which people here need to be suspicious of those around them trying to get anything for free.

[ThisYear]

I believe the distinction on what people bring up as an example is the amount of people that strolled by and didn’t give a $hit. I do believe it does depend on the society as much as the government. I would like to believe people in my neighbourhood would react differently. One can only hope. Perfect time with all the media attention to make an example of guilty drivers and bystanders.

Half way through the video i was waiting for Ashton Kutcher to jump out and tell someone you just got Punked. Sad to see the end result.

[Wormius]

The sad thing now is that the lady who did try to help is being ostracized as being "attention seeking" from the other citizens. How disgusting. I'd really like to hear interviews of these people to really understand their logic and thinking.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...r-rescuer.html

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Wormius

The sad thing now is that the lady who did try to help is being ostracized as being "attention seeking" from the other citizens. How disgusting. I'd really like to hear interviews of these people to really understand their logic and thinking.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...r-rescuer.html

Man, that is so backwards. So I guess if they see her as attention seeking for helping, they believe the child should have been left to suffer in her pool of blood.

I have never wanted to punchacize so many faces in my life.

[schteve_d]

A two-year-old Chinese girl run over by two different vehicles and ignored by passersby has died, state media reported on Friday, in a case which ignited public uproar over what some called the immorality of modern society.

Awful story.

[CaptainCrunch]

At the end of the day, the drivers are going to eat a bullet for embarressing China.

They've been arrested, but they're already guilty, they'll be marched out into the square, forced to kneel, and bang bang.