#occupy<insertlocalehere>

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

That's clearly not the argument you were making. And if you were, you need to articulate it better.

Vancouver Art Gallery is like the pinnacle area on the weekend for both citizens and tourists alike; 'desolate' is so very wrong a term to use.

You're right, poorly worded.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

And from the same article - From Ahmed Abed, also of Egyptian descent:

"His father, another Egyptian immigrant, has owned the stand on the corner “since before they built the World Trade Center.” But now, his sons have had to join on permanently to keep the family business alive. Though they sympathize with the occupation’s aims, Ahmed says their stand has lost most of its old customers. “I support what the protesters are saying … but man, this is bad.” "

To summarize - Yes business is bad, but they also support what the protesters are saying.

Why don't you add in the quotes from the other three local businesses? You know, the ones that don't support your stance.

For the record, my point wasn't really about the business at street carts, that was a throw in, it was about the quote from the worker regarding comparisons to events in Egypt.

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

Why don't you add in the quotes from the other three local businesses? You know, the ones that don't support your stance.

Same reason you probably didn't add the quote I added in your snippet. Works both ways, right?

For the record, my point is that there are also Egyptians who support the protesters in NYC.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

Same reason you probably didn't add the quote I added in your snippet. Works both ways, right?

Well I didn't quote anyone on that issue actually

As to the other issue, the point still stands. The comparisons aren't really being made here, at least not anymore, but the uprising in Egypt was about survival. This is about cream cheese on your bagel.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by valo403

A great quote from an Egyptian street cart vendor located in downtown NYC who has all but been put out of business by the Zuccoti protests (really hitting big business where it hurts guys, take them down one street cart at a time )

Oh, that's bullcrap. Should Gandhi have been condemned for organizing protests that inconvenienced people? His quest for independence likely disrupted the lives of some Indian street vendors. What an ass-hat!!!

The only means of protest that inconveniences nobody is staying at home and sitting on your hands.

[CaptainCrunch]

Just to play Devil's advocate.

There was a massive difference in Ghandi and what he was trying to achieve versus an occupy movement that complains about job loss and economic hardship yet drives a guy out of business.

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

Well I didn't quote anyone on that issue actually

As to the other issue, the point still stands. The comparisons aren't really being made here, at least not anymore, but the uprising in Egypt was about survival. This is about cream cheese on your bagel.

Actually, at the basest of levels, the uprising in Egypt was about change. I agree, totally different kind of change, but still change. The protests in NYC and rising around the world are also about change, not about cream cheese on your bagel or whatever other belittling silly statement you'd like to make.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by woob

Actually, at the basest of levels, the uprising in Egypt was about change. I agree, totally different kind of change, but still change. The protests in NYC and rising around the world are also about change, not about cream cheese on your bagel or whatever other belittling silly statement you'd like to make.

As Obama has proven, standing for "Change" is meaningless unless you have a plan. Otherwise it's just a buzzword.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

Actually, at the basest of levels, the uprising in Egypt was about change. I agree, totally different kind of change, but still change. The protests in NYC and rising around the world are also about change, not about cream cheese on your bagel or whatever other belittling silly statement you'd like to make.

Well I didn't make the statement, that would be someone with personal knowledge of both situations who came up with that analogy (although i did paraphrase). I agree that at the basest of levels both are about change, but that's not really saying much. If you distill anything down far enough you can find a common denominator.

Like I've said repeatedly, I don't disagree with a lot of the aims, but the means started out as a mess and have just gotten worse as time has gone on.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by valo403

As to the other issue, the point still stands. The comparisons aren't really being made here, at least not anymore, but the uprising in Egypt was about survival. This is about cream cheese on your bagel.

Bah. Just because the gap between the rich and the poor in the developed world hasn't reached the point where the rich get to kill the poor, then people should just shut the hell up? Even if the impoverished in the first world are able to afford enough food to survive on, it doesn't mean that it is a utopia.

There is so much wealth in North America. And yet so much suffering from poverty. It is about time that someone stood up and said that something just isn't working. And saying that "there are people who have it worse off" isn't right.

[Ozy_Flame]

Wait a minute, if the Egyptian guy valo is supporting is a street vendor and his business is hurting, why doesn't he just move his cart / vending machine up the street and away from the protests?

Seems like a bad business decision to me . . .

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Just to play Devil's advocate.

There was a massive difference in Ghandi and what he was trying to achieve versus an occupy movement that complains about job loss and economic hardship yet drives a guy out of business.

And that's a matter of opinion. Ghandi wanted Indian independence from British rule. The occupiers want a more equitable distribution of global wealth and a better democracy free of corporate interference in politics. If you ask me, I think the latter is far more important than the former.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

And that's a matter of opinion. Ghandi wanted Indian independence from British rule. The occupiers want a more equitable distribution of global wealth and a better democracy free of corporate interference in politics. If you ask me, I think the latter is far more important than the former.

I don't know, if we were looking at the equals. If the Occupy motion destroyed this guys business.

It would be equal to Ghandi kidnapping a guy off of his street and making him into a slave.

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

Like I've said repeatedly, I don't disagree with a lot of the aims, but the means started out as a mess and have just gotten worse as time has gone on.

For someone who doesn't disagree with a lot of the aims you sure do seem to enjoy taking little potshots at the movement. To each their own, I guess.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Wait a minute, if the Egyptian guy valo is supporting is a street vendor and his business is hurting, why doesn't he just move his cart / vending machine up the street and away from the protests?

Seems like a bad business decision to me . . .

A little thing called a business license. You don't get to just roll your carts around town.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Bah. Just because the gap between the rich and the poor in the developed world hasn't reached the point where the rich get to kill the poor, then people should just shut the hell up? Even if the impoverished in the first world are able to afford enough food to survive on, it doesn't mean that it is a utopia.

There is so much wealth in North America. And yet so much suffering from poverty. It is about time that someone stood up and said that something just isn't working. And saying that "there are people who have it worse off" isn't right.

That's a fair point, my point was more that attempts at drawing parallels between the two movements are rather ridiculous given the stakes involved. Like I said, it's not really happening on CP, but it's definitely an angle that the occupy movement has pushed.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

For someone who doesn't disagree with a lot of the aims you sure do seem to enjoy taking little potshots at the movement. To each their own, I guess.

It's a bit of a mix of frustration and embarrassment really. It's frustrating to see this movement acting the way much of it is as it's demonstrating a total lack of reasonableness and connection to reality. It's demand making without having any understanding of what the demands really are, how to achieve them or what the ancillary consequences may be. There just seems to be very little thought in the whole thing.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by valo403

A little thing called a business license. You don't get to just roll your carts around town.

Taken from the NYC Department of Consumer Affairs Website:

LICENSE DESCRIPTION:
You must have a General Vendor license if you sell, lease, or offer to sell or lease goods or services in a public place.

You do NOT need a General Vendor license if:

• You sell newspapers, periodicals, books, pamphlets, or other written matter.
• You sell artwork, including paintings, photographs, prints, and sculptures.
• You sell food. Note: Food vending requires a license from the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.
• You will only sell merchandise from a booth or stand at an authorized Street Fair (e.g., street fair, block party, or festival). Please note that you must obtain a Temporary Street Fair Vendor Permit to sell merchandise at an authorized Street Fair.

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I'm going to guess he's one of the three, so like I say . . . . A bad business move if true.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Taken from the NYC Department of Consumer Affairs Website:

LICENSE DESCRIPTION:
You must have a General Vendor license if you sell, lease, or offer to sell or lease goods or services in a public place.

You do NOT need a General Vendor license if:

• You sell newspapers, periodicals, books, pamphlets, or other written matter.
• You sell artwork, including paintings, photographs, prints, and sculptures.
• You sell food. Note: Food vending requires a license from the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.
• You will only sell merchandise from a booth or stand at an authorized Street Fair (e.g., street fair, block party, or festival). Please note that you must obtain a Temporary Street Fair Vendor Permit to sell merchandise at an authorized Street Fair.

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I'm going to guess he's one of the three, so like I say . . . . A bad business move if true.

Did you read what you posted? Read the Note part. You need a licence, I was incorrect in calling it a business licence.

Food vendors can't simply setup shop wherever they please, that's simply not how it works. But please, tell me how it works from your vast experience with NYC. It's not like I've lived here for the past 4 years or anything.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by valo403

Did you read what you posted? Read the Note part. You need a licence, I was incorrect in calling it a business licence.

Food vendors can't simply setup shop wherever they please, that's simply not how it works. But please, tell me how it works from your vast experience with NYC. It's not like I've lived here for the past 4 years or anything.

Your food vending license probably doesn't prohibit you from changing business locations.

That is all.