Music was excellent, plot was slightly predictable and the final shot was superb.
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Props to the guy who called this many episodes back. Shouldn't read this thread with the speculating, too many smart people around who ruin endings for me!
Didn't that seem like a whole lot of stuff to cram into one day? Aside from Walt building a bomb, trying to kill Gus in the parkade, visiting his home and trying to meet with Saul, he also had the time to meet with Salamanca, convince him to help out with the plan, arrange a meeting with the DEA, have a meeting with the DEA, return to the nursing home, wire up the bomb to his chair, entice Gus to meet Salamanca there, carry out the plot, and take out the meth lab. And Jesse was busy too, getting detained and questioned, meeting with Saul, getting released and assisting with the lab.
All that in one day. I'm surprised getting a meeting with the DEA could happen so quickly, let alone all that other stuff too.
And when was Walt supposed to have time to poison Brock? How did that happen exactly? I can't recall the sequence of events exactly but it seems that Walt had little to no contact with Brock and his mom prior to that meeting at Jesse's house late in the season (after which he was kidnapped and taken to the middle of no where).
I wish there was a little less deus ex machina and a little more mystery with Gus's death. I wish that was an open question whether he actually died or not.
And when was Walt supposed to have time to poison Brock? How did that happen exactly? I can't recall the sequence of events exactly but it seems that Walt had little to no contact with Brock and his mom prior to that meeting at Jesse's house late in the season (after which he was kidnapped and taken to the middle of no where).
Not only that, what exactly happened to the ricin cigarette?
There is no way that Walt could have gotten it out of Jessie's pack and there is no way that obese security guard picked his pocket, replaced the pack/cigarette then put it back in that second or two he was frisking him. It must have been removed by Gus's guy, that would be quite the coincidence.
Not only that, what exactly happened to the ricin cigarette?
There is no way that Walt could have gotten it out of Jessie's pack and there is no way that obese security guard picked his pocket, replaced the pack/cigarette then put it back in that second or two he was frisking him. It must have been removed by Gus's guy, that would be quite the coincidence.
Why couldnt have the security guy have switched the pack? Walt knew the brand he smoked, tells Saul, Saul gets him to switch it. Totally beliebeable.
fredr's post about the busy day does make a lot of sense though. I guessd I was so caught up in the episode, I didn't realize how impossible it would be for all that stuff to happen all in one day. Even if the bomb making happened overnight, and the hospital/Gus turning around stuff happened early in the morning, it's kinda hard to believe everything else happened in 14 hours of daylight. Possible? Maybe, but a little hard to believe.
Whatever, I'm not going to let that make me dislike what was an amazing finale that was more intense than most, if not all current TV shows.
Why couldnt have the security guy have switched the pack? Walt knew the brand he smoked, tells Saul, Saul gets him to switch it. Totally beliebeable.
And he knew how many cigarettes were in the pack and which pocket he kept them in right?
And then the 500lb guy who has trouble breathing pulled off a master pick pocket job?
I watched the scene again, when the guy started frisking him Jesse was looking directly down at his hands. He looked up at Saul as the guy was still patting him down and as he stepped away he stuck his left hand in his pocket. From the scene at the hospital it looks like Jesse got the cigarette pack from his left pocket which means the guard would have made the switch with his right hand. Anyway, maybe they are planning to use that explanation and maybe you think it's totally believable but it seems a little far fetched to me.
Time Magazine interviewed Vince Gilligan on last season, and the future. Many of the questions raised here are addressed.
On the finale:
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Q: You know, the whole ending whodunit about Brock's poisoning faked me out on a number of levels. And I realized in retrospect one thing that kind of cleverly helped confuse me was that I ruled out the possibility that Walt had done it because it was Jesse's theory. I think I ruled out that Jesse could have gotten it right, which he largely did.
A: That's exactly what we hoped for, I'm so glad to hear it. Jesse, God bless him, he's not, even a broken clock is right twice a day, you know? I think he came in with a theory, I think the motive that he ascribed to Walt doing it was wrong. But other than that, I think in the second to last episode, everything he said to Walt is correct, even as to, perhaps even as to how Walt was able to get the cigarette off him, you know, Saul's bodyguard, Huell. If you look very closely actually, if you look very closely, Huell, after he passed him down, is seen putting something into his left pocket. It's very subtle, it's right at the bottom right corner of the frame, but it is there.
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Q: Now going forward: Gus is dead, Walt, as he says, has “won.” They've just burned the superlab. As far as we can tell it seems like Walt could walk away if he wants to. What drives the story forward from this point?
A: Well, I should preface this by saying I don't have a lot of what comes next figured out. I have shockingly little in fact, but two things that spring to mind is the fact that Hank Schrader is still out there looking in to Gus Fring and perhaps that could lead him into looking at Walter White. Or not; who knows. But I mean that's a big shoe left to drop potentially. But an even better answer than that I suppose is that Walter White's problem is Walter White ultimately. He's been his own worst enemy from probably the first episode of the series onward and there has been other times in the past where he could have stopped and walked away, minimized the damage he had caused to his family and to Jesse and Hank and taken whatever benefit he had financially gotten from this endeavor and just gone back to being law abiding. But at every turn going back to season one he's refused to do that. I think his sense of self and self-worth is so wrapped up in this illegal career he's got going that it would be hard for him to walk away from it.
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And he knew how many cigarettes were in the pack and which pocket he kept them in right?
And then the 500lb guy who has trouble breathing pulled off a master pick pocket job?
I watched the scene again, when the guy started frisking him Jesse was looking directly down at his hands. He looked up at Saul as the guy was still patting him down and as he stepped away he stuck his left hand in his pocket. From the scene at the hospital it looks like Jesse got the cigarette pack from his left pocket which means the guard would have made the switch with his right hand. Anyway, maybe they are planning to use that explanation and maybe you think it's totally believable but it seems a little far fetched to me.
I think of all the things that happened in the last two episodes, the security guy switching smoke packs while patting him down is the most believeable.
As a former smoker, I never counted how many smokes I had. I could always ballpark it to within a couple, but if I thought I had 12 left and then a couple hours later, I only have 10, I'm probably not gonna notice. Not to mention, I never knew what pocket it was in. And if I did, I would second guess anything if I found the pack in a different pocket.
I think of all the things that happened in the last two episodes, the security guy switching smoke packs while patting him down is the most believeable.
As a former smoker, I never counted how many smokes I had. I could always ballpark it to within a couple, but if I thought I had 12 left and then a couple hours later, I only have 10, I'm probably not gonna notice. Not to mention, I never knew what pocket it was in. And if I did, I would second guess anything if I found the pack in a different pocket.
Plus, even if Jesse noticed that he had more or less cigarettes than he remembered having, the whole point was to have Jesse realize that someone had gone through the pack and stolen the ricin cig. Wouldn't have made any difference that some other cigarettes had gone missing/been added. The main point would have been achieved regardless.
The part that I find unbelievable is the time frame in which all this happened and the fact that Walt thought to poison Brock despite the fact that his only contact with him previous to that was a split second glimpse he had of him. Maybe if they had shown Walt looking through Jesse's window and watching Jesse and Brock interact with each for a little bit it would have made more sense, but whatever. These are some pretty minor gripes imo.
Plus, even if Jesse noticed that he had more or less cigarettes than he remembered having, the whole point was to have Jesse realize that someone had gone through the pack and stolen the ricin cig. Wouldn't have made any difference that some other cigarettes had gone missing/been added. The main point would have been achieved regardless.
The part that I find unbelievable is the time frame in which all this happened and the fact that Walt thought to poison Brock despite the fact that his only contact with him previous to that was a split second glimpse he had of him. Maybe if they had shown Walt looking through Jesse's window and watching Jesse and Brock interact with each for a little bit it would have made more sense, but whatever. These are some pretty minor gripes imo.
Keep in mind Jesse's reaction when Brock's brother was killed in Season 3. Jesse went ape and went to kill those guys before Walt ran them over in that awesome moment. Jesse had a soft spot for Andrea and her young kids and Walt realized it and used it to get Jesse to help him kill Gus.
Yes, Walt never saw or even heard that Jesse had those kinds of feeling and emotions for Brock, but based on his reaction to the brother getting killed, why wouldn't Jesse react this way to a kid who was actually sitting in his house that night.
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Keep in mind Jesse's reaction when Brock's brother was killed in Season 3. Jesse went ape and went to kill those guys before Walt ran them over in that awesome moment. Jesse had a soft spot for Andrea and her young kids and Walt realized it and used it to get Jesse to help him kill Gus.
Yes, Walt never saw or even heard that Jesse had those kinds of feeling and emotions for Brock, but based on his reaction to the brother getting killed, why wouldn't Jesse react this way to a kid who was actually sitting in his house that night.
That's a good point actually. I completely forgot about that.
And he knew how many cigarettes were in the pack and which pocket he kept them in right?
And then the 500lb guy who has trouble breathing pulled off a master pick pocket job?
I watched the scene again, when the guy started frisking him Jesse was looking directly down at his hands. He looked up at Saul as the guy was still patting him down and as he stepped away he stuck his left hand in his pocket. From the scene at the hospital it looks like Jesse got the cigarette pack from his left pocket which means the guard would have made the switch with his right hand. Anyway, maybe they are planning to use that explanation and maybe you think it's totally believable but it seems a little far fetched to me.
Does this one detail ruin it for you? The entire show is pretty unrealistic in general, but it's still fantastic.
Keep in mind Jesse's reaction when Brock's brother was killed in Season 3. Jesse went ape and went to kill those guys before Walt ran them over in that awesome moment. Jesse had a soft spot for Andrea and her young kids and Walt realized it and used it to get Jesse to help him kill Gus.
Yes, Walt never saw or even heard that Jesse had those kinds of feeling and emotions for Brock, but based on his reaction to the brother getting killed, why wouldn't Jesse react this way to a kid who was actually sitting in his house that night.
Well then, I guess there is no need to discuss the show any further. Might as well just close the thread.
Thanks for coming out.
Hahah what? Take a step back, Mr. Serious. I asked a question. Does this detail ruin it for you? You can reply with that post again when I say "there's no need for discussion on anything because this show is unrealistic." Give your head a shake, man.
Does this one detail ruin it for you? The entire show is pretty unrealistic in general, but it's still fantastic.
True enough. The whole show is centred around a lot of things that are improbable. Usually everything that can go wrong, does go wrong no matter how improbable, but it seems like it's not until the opposite happens (ie. everything that must go perfectly for the central characters, does go perfectly) that people start to question it.
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