Occupy Calgary/Do Not Merge

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by pylon

I would have come down and helped you guys protest today, but I was too busy being overpaid at my job, that I busted my ass for 12 years to get.

So much of this BS movement is about entitlement, and these slacktivists not being handed a 6 figure job right out of school, it is BS. Notice how next to nobody (except those looking for attention) that is protesting has a good job, and has a good career, or is financially stable.

This whole movement is all about blame, and people not taking responsibility for their actions. "I ran my ass 80K into credit card debt, I am going to blame the people that gave me the credit limit!" "I took a 750k mortgage on a 60K income, and when the job market softened, I couldn't pay, it's the BANKS fault, for letting me make a ######ed decision!" "I got a 16 year doctorate in Upper-Eastern Siberian throat singing... WHY WON'T NASA HIRE ME?!"

Everyone was all okay with everything and turning a blind eye until the house of cards collapsed. Now, a lot of people that made bad decisions, are looking for a scapegoat. Take responsibility people, have some accountability.

No qualms with what you're saying pylon, but you remind me of the old man sitting on his front porch waving a broom at kids "these days"

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by pylon

I would have come down and helped you guys protest today, but I was too busy being overpaid at my job, that I busted my ass for 12 years to get.

So much of this BS movement is about entitlement, and these slacktivists not being handed a 6 figure job right out of school, it is BS. Notice how next to nobody (except those looking for attention) that is protesting has a good job, and has a good career, or is financially stable.

This whole movement is all about blame, and people not taking responsibility for their actions. "I ran my ass 80K into credit card debt, I am going to blame the people that gave me the credit limit!" "I took a 750k mortgage on a 60K income, and when the job market softened, I couldn't pay, it's the BANKS fault, for letting me make a ######ed decision!" "I got a 16 year doctorate in Upper-Eastern Siberian throat singing... WHY WON'T NASA HIRE ME?!"

Everyone was all okay with everything and turning a blind eye until the house of cards collapsed. Now, a lot of people that made bad decisions, are looking for a scapegoat. Take responsibility people, have some accountability.

There are definitely some kids out there that feel entitled after an undergrad degree, but there are a bunch out there who are willing to take anything to get started. You sound very disconnected with how hard it is at the moment to even land an interview as a youth in the current job market. Look at Spain where there is something like 50% youth unemployment. That is insane. Calgary is probably the easiest place in North America to find employment, and it is still very hard.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

There are definitely some kids out there that feel entitled after an undergrad degree, but there are a bunch out there who are willing to take anything to get started. You sound very disconnected with how hard it is at the moment to even land an interview as a youth in the current job market. Look at Spain where there is something like 50% youth unemployment. That is insane. Calgary is probably the easiest place in North America to find employment, and it is still very hard.

I don't disagree, however I have talked to several students looking for work before I left the placement business and they were telling me that they were worth 6 figures because of their degrees, and they wouldn't accept less.

Somewhere along the line degreed students decided that entry level positions were not worth their time.

In the European nations its a far different kettle of fish because the young and inexperienced are the first ones on the chopping block because the more experienced workers with families and kids are willing to do a whole lot more for a whole lot less.

Plus a degree is no guarantee that your going to get a job in your choosen field.

Plus some people when they decide to go to school might want to follow their dreams which is admirable, but at least do some research into the employment options of your chosen fields so that you know what your prospects are coming out of school.

A degree on far eastern religeous theory is cool and all, but there aren't a whole lot of jobs that need that degree.

In this economy its probably really smart to hedge your bets and go after a degree where there is some demand, and be prepared to take a whole lot less to establish yourself.

Surprisingly the most in demand jobs over the last three years in the U.S. are occupational Therapists, Pharmacy sales roles can't be filled fast enough. Estimators and construction project managers are hitting a shortfall.

As a young kid going to school you almost have to go where the demand is, not what your heart tells you.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

No qualms with what you're saying pylon, but you remind me of the old man sitting on his front porch waving a broom at kids "these days"

Hey, I look forward to pylon's "old man yells at cloud" rants.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't disagree, however I have talked to several students looking for work before I left the placement business and they were telling me that they were worth 6 figures because of their degrees, and they wouldn't accept less.

Somewhere along the line degreed students decided that entry level positions were not worth their time.

In the European nations its a far different kettle of fish because the young and inexperienced are the first ones on the chopping block because the more experienced workers with families and kids are willing to do a whole lot more for a whole lot less.

Plus a degree is no guarantee that your going to get a job in your choosen field.

Plus some people when they decide to go to school might want to follow their dreams which is admirable, but at least do some research into the employment options of your chosen fields so that you know what your prospects are coming out of school.

A degree on far eastern religeous theory is cool and all, but there aren't a whole lot of jobs that need that degree.

In this economy its probably really smart to hedge your bets and go after a degree where there is some demand, and be prepared to take a whole lot less to establish yourself.

Surprisingly the most in demand jobs over the last three years in the U.S. are occupational Therapists, Pharmacy sales roles can't be filled fast enough. Estimators and construction project managers are hitting a shortfall.

As a young kid going to school you almost have to go where the demand is, not what your heart tells you.

I also slap my forehead at fresh kids looking to walk into a six figure position. They're often requesting a higher salary than their would be supervisor earns.

My advise for young job seekers is to diversify their skillset and not restrict themselves to finding something directly related to their degree.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

I also slap my forehead at fresh kids looking to walk into a six figure position. They're often requesting a higher salary than their would be supervisor earns.

My advise for young job seekers is to diversify their skillset and not restrict themselves to finding something directly related to their degree.

And if they are hot chicks they should consider porn. I'm serious about that.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I haven't had a chance to read a lot of the thread, but if I am unhappy with how people merge in Calgary, I should go to St. Patrick's and protest?

I think we should send 4X4 as our representative. That would be a news segment worth watching!

[CaptainCrunch]

I received a degree in Management Information Systems which involved heavy programming at the time. I eventually ended up in technology based sales and make more dollars then anyone I graduated with.

At the same time, there have been times where I've taken jobs for less dollars to learn that industry.

Now I constantly have head hunters contacting me because I can illustrate multi industry expertise.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I received a degree in Management Information Systems which involved heavy programming at the time. I eventually ended up in technology based sales and make more dollars then anyone I graduated with.

At the same time, there have been times where I've taken jobs for less dollars to learn that industry.

Now I constantly have head hunters contacting me because I can illustrate multi industry expertise.

Based on what I know about you CC, you also have about a 20-25 year advantage on recent grads . . .

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Well since the movement is about identifying big business and government problems, I can think of something Canada needs to improve on, which ties into corporate greed, inequality and skirting fair play.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2032347/

That article seems to say two things.

1) We have laws against bribery domestically, but we don't get many convictions.

--Is it possible that maybe bribery isn't that big a problem here? I've been hit up for a bribe by a corrupt official on more than one continent, but never here in Canada. If there is no bribery, that's better than having lots of convictions.

2) We're not spending enough money policing bribery in other countries.

--I would be pretty offended if the gov't of Angola showed up here asking to look in my books to see whether someone I did business with was bribing me. Why are we different? If the problem is that we aren't being "Captain America World Police" enough, that doesn't seem like a problem to me.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Based on what I know about you CC, you also have about a 20-25 year advantage on recent grads . . .

True, but I went through the same issues when I was a new grad, and made sure that I was open and flexible enough to not be able to use the no job in my field excuse to not find a job.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

That article seems to say two things.

1) We have laws against bribery domestically, but we don't get many convictions.

--Is it possible that maybe bribery isn't that big a problem here? I've been hit up for a bribe by a corrupt official on more than one continent, but never here in Canada. If there is no bribery, that's better than having lots of convictions.

2) We're not spending enough money policing bribery in other countries.

--I would be pretty offended if the gov't of Angola showed up here asking to look in my books to see whether someone I did business with was bribing me. Why are we different? If the problem is that we aren't being "Captain America World Police" enough, that doesn't seem like a problem to me.

Bribery gets the cold shoulder in this country. There are industries I won't get into that engage in this behaviour and no one questions it.

And on that note, if Canada has been rated WORSE than Italy, we definitely have a serious problem.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I will be there with my protest sign

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

"Corporations are people too" got a lot of laughs at the expense of Mitt Romney but there's an element of truth there. People forget that there was a time, even in Canada I believe, when only landowners could vote.

Corporations are all ultimately owned by people, whether it's via their RRSPs, pension funds, CPP fund, or direct investments.

And even today a Citizen of Canada needs to be 30 and own real estate to be elected to the Senate, which offends me as someone who meets only one of those requirements.

Maybe I should protest the Prime Minister not appointing anyone in their 20s to the Senate. It would help with the youth employment numbers too.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

And on that note, if Canada has been rated WORSE than Italy, we definitely have a serious problem.

I think the methodology matters. It seems to me that the stat was based on how much money a country spends fighting bribery. Italy has a bigger bribery problem than Canada with the mafia, so they spend more money fighting corruption. That doesn't mean Canada is more corrupt than Italy, it means the study was poorly done.

[jtfrogger]

Even our mayor doesn't know what this is about.

Nenshi said he does not endorse Occupy Calgary and doesn’t know what it is protesting.

“There’s a big difference between saying Occupy Wall Street and Occupy Calgary,” said Nenshi. “You don’t have to occupy this city, you already live here. This is our city.

http://www.canada.com/business/Mayor...#ixzz1aVxON1a2

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by jtfrogger

Even our mayor doesn't know what this is about.



http://www.canada.com/business/Mayor...#ixzz1aVxON1a2

Not a good start for the group. A lack of organization and focus will likely mean more of this type of attention - which makes the whole thing look like its being done half-arsed.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I received a degree in Management Information Systems which involved heavy programming at the time. I eventually ended up in technology based sales and make more dollars then anyone I graduated with.

At the same time, there have been times where I've taken jobs for less dollars to learn that industry.

Now I constantly have head hunters contacting me because I can illustrate multi industry expertise.

Occupy CaptainCrunch - October 15!

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by zuluking

Occupy CaptainCrunch - October 15!

no homo?

[V]

I have just enough interest in this garbled mess of a protest to change my Facebook profile pic.